If you could flush this cow, what bull would you use?

[bcosu]

i have a purebred angus cow that looks almost exactly like her except a little taller. i have been waiting forever so she is at the point where we could safely breed her to hannibal just because she looks a little sloppy fronted but is deep and powerful for an angus. my vote is hannibal just because he tends to work well on the shorter deeper sided ones.

 

[showman ne]

I would go hannibal, then dr who, then a flush son. witch doctor won't give you steers. the others will at least have a chance

 

[OH Breeder]

  Looking @ your donor, Hannibal comes up first with the only reservation being BW. Our biggest calf this year was a Hannibal out of a 2nd calf Sandman(SH) cow. Had a heifer calf that weighed in @ 124lbs. I also like the Witch Doctor idea, but also like thinking about SM. How about Whiplash, Climax, Grizzly,Steel Force, Star Power, and Carney Man(Witch Dotor x Metey 734)? Just more Ideas. Brent

I like the idea of Climax for heifers. Low LIne percentage and a Simmi foundation
Impact for both. Lowline percentage and Mainetainer
Carney Man for heifers
Grizzly for both
Hannibal might give you size on a female but I am not sure I have seen many tough Hannibal steers.

I think you have a super cow. And I am with you capitlialzing on both markets while promoting your breed. I think that is a great idea. My only draw back on Sin Citys were frame. When used on smaller cows that can manage a larger birthweight you may have success.

 

[justme]

I've used Witch Dr. and he's produced some of the most functional cattle I've ever raised.  I still use him from time to time. 

I love Calberta Hustler...he's a little old school, but the absolute best cattle in my herd traces back to him.

On another note...while out in North Platte, NE this summer...I heard there is a producer up there using Dr. Who on lowlines and I heard they were gorgeous...

Guess I'm not much help lol...those are good choices.

 

[CAB]

  My 2 cents worth. I would concentrate on getting great females B4 steers. You need better cows than your competition to get ahead. With the world wide web, PPL are able to figure out what bulls are working faster than ever B4. So we all kinda know what bulls to use to get a shot @ a great steer, but only you know may work on your cows to make the "right" kind of momma's. The more great mommas that you have, the better your odds on down the road of getting "that" great steer. I don't know if there is a bull out there that make both females and steers good enough to compete, so I think that the wisest decision that you can make is go for the great, great set of cows first. If you have great cows the steer calves will come. I would even strongly  look for sexed semen to make as many females as I could.

 

[knabe]

ice pick, sorry, can't resist, with the comments on hind leg set, front end and roominess.

 

[TJ]

I've used Witch Dr. and he's produced some of the most functional cattle I've ever raised.  I still use him from time to time. 

I love Calberta Hustler...he's a little old school, but the absolute best cattle in my herd traces back to him.

On another note...while out in North Platte, NE this summer...I heard there is a producer up there using Dr. Who on lowlines and I heard they were gorgeous...

Guess I'm not much help lol...those are good choices.

Thanks for the input on Witch Doctor. 

Interesting that you mentioned North Platte, NE & a producer using Dr Who on Lowlines.  That would be George Jenkins and/or Jerry Adamson.  FWIW, this cow is Jerry Adamson's Lowline genetics & those Lowlines that they are using Dr Who on, are very similar genetics to this cow.   

 

   

 

[TJ]

  My 2 cents worth. I would concentrate on getting great females B4 steers. You need better cows than your competition to get ahead. With the world wide web, PPL are able to figure out what bulls are working faster than ever B4. So we all kinda know what bulls to use to get a shot @ a great steer, but only you know may work on your cows to make the "right" kind of momma's. The more great mommas that you have, the better your odds on down the road of getting "that" great steer. I don't know if there is a bull out there that make both females and steers good enough to compete, so I think that the wisest decision that you can make is go for the great, great set of cows first. If you have great cows the steer calves will come. I would even strongly  look for sexed semen to make as many females as I could.

I am more interested in getting good females, but I wouldn't mind some good steers too.  What bulls that would work on this cow have sexed semen?  I know some of the simmi's have sexed semen, but curious which ones & curious if any maternal Maine or Shorthorns have sexed semen available.   

 

[TJ]

  Looking @ your donor, Hannibal comes up first with the only reservation being BW. Our biggest calf this year was a Hannibal out of a 2nd calf Sandman(SH) cow. Had a heifer calf that weighed in @ 124lbs. I also like the Witch Doctor idea, but also like thinking about SM. How about Whiplash, Climax, Grizzly,Steel Force, Star Power, and Carney Man(Witch Dotor x Metey 734)? Just more Ideas. Brent

I like the idea of Climax for heifers. Low LIne percentage and a Simmi foundation
Impact for both. Lowline percentage and Mainetainer
Carney Man for heifers
Grizzly for both
Hannibal might give you size on a female but I am not sure I have seen many tough Hannibal steers.

I think you have a super cow. And I am with you capitlialzing on both markets while promoting your breed. I think that is a great idea. My only draw back on Sin Citys were frame. When used on smaller cows that can manage a larger birthweight you may have success.

Thanks OH Breeder!  Impact is a real interesting prospect that might work extremely well.  Sin City is tempting & I have a feeling that we will eventually end up trying him IF all goes well.   

 

[shortyjock89]

I know Ace of Diamonds has sexed semen...we might use some on a flush if we really dig on the calf we have coming.

 

[shortyjock89]

Oh, and P.S. TJ, I want to see how the next few calves out of Magic Man look, but he may be something for you to look at in the next couple years.  We only have the one calf, but if he's any indication for what's to come, I'm pretty excited about the calves, and he would work on cows like Fat Sally for sure.

 

[dori36]

Oh, and P.S. TJ, I want to see how the next few calves out of Magic Man look, but he may be something for you to look at in the next couple years.  We only have the one calf, but if he's any indication for what's to come, I'm pretty excited about the calves, and he would work on cows like Fat Sally for sure.

TJ, is "Fat Sally" Susan?

 

[TJ]

Oh, and P.S. TJ, I want to see how the next few calves out of Magic Man look, but he may be something for you to look at in the next couple years.  We only have the one calf, but if he's any indication for what's to come, I'm pretty excited about the calves, and he would work on cows like Fat Sally for sure.

TJ, is "Fat Sally" Susan?

Yes

 

[TJ]

I know Ace of Diamonds has sexed semen...we might use some on a flush if we really dig on the calf we have coming.

That's something that I've been thinking about pretty hard.  You know Shorthorns, how's his breeding for maternal? 

 

[shortyjock89]

Well he's out of a Vortec son, and his sire's momma is a Creole daughter (Those of you who are familiar with Shorthorns know that those are some really good bulls for making females).

On his momma's side, you have the CF Carmele family (the cow family that Trump is out of)on her sire's side, and on her bottom side, you have the Hi- View Zelda cow family (VERY good cows, IMO)...there is NO Trump, NO Rodeo Drive, and a Double Stuff son shows up three generations back on his dam's side. 

He's very much an outcross bull, and should make excellent females based on how he's bred, and I know that there have been some good bulls out of him so far.  Get in touch with Vogel's and talk with them about the bull if you feel the need, they have had great success with him so far. 

 

[LazyGLowlines]

TJ - I think I read somewhere that there was only something like 2000 full blood females in the U.S. making them somewhat of higher value due to demand. My question being this - why would you breed a full blood female to a "clubbie" bull if the demand for full bloods is as high as it is? Seems like there are already a bunch of show steers produced out of crossbred cows etc. Just wondering the logic. RW

My guess : said you are flushing her to your bull or breeding to your bull as well. So you are trying to capitalize on both markets?
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There is also a pretty decent market for the percentage bloods & some of them can sell for pretty decent prices too, especially if they are show quality.  A few years ago, a bred 1/2 blood Lowline female sold for $9,600 at Denver... that's not chopped liver!  Dori has sold a few 1/2 blood heifers for around $3,000-$3,500 & maybe she has gotten more than that for some of them.  Juston Olson & I were priced a 1/2 Lowline X 1/2 Shorthorn heifer for $6,500 this spring.   A 1/2 blood Lowline X Red Hot Heifer sold for $4,500 at Kansas City this fall.       


TJ,  I believe the 1/2 blood crosses you mentioned were sired by Low Beau (owned by Schmit Farms) and Bluey. We own a full brother to Low Beau , (Lazy G Beau, who we will be showing in Denver). We also feel the lowline X clubby cross is a very interesting way to go and are flushing several fullblood Lowline cows to clubby bulls. If any SP members is interested in a SPECIAL deal on Bluey and Beau semen please PM us because we feel that strongly that these bulls will work on clubbies. We'll also have some embryos for sale.  We hope any SP members who are interested in Lowline x's and are at the NWSS will come see us at  Denver and see the quality of the animals we are talking about.  There will be many Bluey, Low Beau and Wando crosses and fullbloods at the show (crosses owned by Schmit Farms).

 

[TJ]

There is also a pretty decent market for the percentage bloods & some of them can sell for pretty decent prices too, especially if they are show quality.  A few years ago, a bred 1/2 blood Lowline female sold for $9,600 at Denver... that's not chopped liver!  Dori has sold a few 1/2 blood heifers for around $3,000-$3,500 & maybe she has gotten more than that for some of them.  Juston Olson & I were priced a 1/2 Lowline X 1/2 Shorthorn heifer for $6,500 this spring.   A 1/2 blood Lowline X Red Hot Heifer sold for $4,500 at Kansas City this fall.       

TJ,  I believe the 1/2 blood crosses you mentioned were sired by Low Beau (owned by Schmit Farms) and Bluey. We own a full brother to Low Beau , (Lazy G Beau, who we will be showing in Denver). We also feel the lowline X clubby cross is a very interesting way to go and are flushing several fullblood Lowline cows to clubby bulls. If any SP members is interested in a SPECIAL deal on Bluey and Beau semen please PM us because we feel that strongly that these bulls will work on clubbies. We'll also have some embryos for sale.  We hope any SP members who are interested in Lowline x's and are at the NWSS will come see us at  Denver and see the quality of the animals we are talking about.  There will be many Bluey, Low Beau and Wando crosses and fullbloods at the show (crosses owned by Schmit Farms).

Not taking anything away from Bluey or Low Beau, because they've had there fair share of success, but none of the ones that I mentioned in that post were Low Beau's & only 1 is a Bluey.  The $9,500 (I was off by $100) heifer at Denver in 2006 was sired by Tequila.  Dori's heifers were sired by Fitz.  The heifer that Justin & I were priced was sired by Buster 1N.  The $4,500 heifer @ KC was sired by Bluey.  And my Shorthorn X Lowline heifer was sired by DCB JR 22L. 

But, since we are on the subject of hyping Lowline bulls, I feel the need to speak up for my bull Doc Holliday. 

I only took 2 Doc Holliday heifers to Louisville. 

My fullblood heifer won Reserve Grand Champion Fullblood Female & she beat the NILE Grand Champion Female in doing that.  Pictures of her coming soon!    

The other won Reserve Division Champion Percentage Female.  She beat the Reserve Grand Champion Female at the American Royal in her division (who was fitted & who had beaten the above $4,500 high selling heifer at Kansas City).  My percentage Doc heifer was 1/2 Tarentaise (Yes, a Tarentaise cow, not an Angus, Red Angus, Maine, Simmi, Shorthorn, nor a clubby) & we didn't even fit her (just blow & show).  My Lowline X Shorthorn heifer won that division and we focused our fitting attention on her. 

Those 2 heifers beat a Grand Champion & a Reserve Grand Champion from 2 of the major fall Lowline shows in the US (NILE & American Royal), so they competed head to head against some of the elite Lowline Females that this breed has to offer & beat them.   

Also, a 3/4 blood Doc Holliday heifer (1/4 Tarentaise) that I sold, won Reserve Champion Percentage Heifer Calf.  The other Doc Holliday heifer that I sold won her class & she was also a 3/4 Lowline X 1/4 Tarentaise, but she got beat by the other heifer in the division.  Anyway, those 2 heifers did all of that despite being the ONLY 3/4 blood heifer calves in their entire division, so they had to show against a bunch of 1/2 blood heifers that completely out horsed them... yet they did pretty good considering, I thought. 

There are a lot of good fullblood Lowline bulls, but Doc Holliday is the real deal... he's balanced, he's complete, he is proven & his semen is only $20 per straw.   

 

[LazyGLowlines]

There is also a pretty decent market for the percentage bloods & some of them can sell for pretty decent prices too, especially if they are show quality.  A few years ago, a bred 1/2 blood Lowline female sold for $9,600 at Denver... that's not chopped liver!  Dori has sold a few 1/2 blood heifers for around $3,000-$3,500 & maybe she has gotten more than that for some of them.  Juston Olson & I were priced a 1/2 Lowline X 1/2 Shorthorn heifer for $6,500 this spring.   A 1/2 blood Lowline X Red Hot Heifer sold for $4,500 at Kansas City this fall.       

TJ,  I believe the 1/2 blood crosses you mentioned were sired by Low Beau (owned by Schmit Farms) and Bluey. We own a full brother to Low Beau , (Lazy G Beau, who we will be showing in Denver). We also feel the lowline X clubby cross is a very interesting way to go and are flushing several fullblood Lowline cows to clubby bulls. If any SP members is interested in a SPECIAL deal on Bluey and Beau semen please PM us because we feel that strongly that these bulls will work on clubbies. We'll also have some embryos for sale.  We hope any SP members who are interested in Lowline x's and are at the NWSS will come see us at  Denver and see the quality of the animals we are talking about.  There will be many Bluey, Low Beau and Wando crosses and fullbloods at the show (crosses owned by Schmit Farms).

Not taking anything away from Bluey or Low Beau, because they've had there fair share of success, but none of the ones that I mentioned in that post were Low Beau's & only 1 is a Bluey.  The $9,500 (I was off by $100) heifer at Denver in 2006 was sired by Tequila.  Dori's heifers were sired by Fitz.  The heifer that Justin & I were priced was sired by Buster 1N.  The $4,500 heifer @ KC was sired by Bluey.  And my Shorthorn X Lowline heifer was sired by DCB JR 22L. 

But, since we are on the subject of hyping Lowline bulls, I feel the need to speak up for my bull Doc Holliday. 

I only took 2 Doc Holliday heifers to Louisville. 

My fullblood heifer won Reserve Grand Champion Fullblood Female & she beat the NILE Grand Champion Female in doing that.  Pictures of her coming soon!    

The other won Reserve Division Champion Percentage Female.  She beat the Reserve Grand Champion Female at the American Royal in her division (who was fitted & who had beaten the above $4,500 high selling heifer at Kansas City).  My percentage Doc heifer was 1/2 Tarentaise (Yes, a Tarentaise cow, not an Angus, Red Angus, Maine, Simmi, Shorthorn, nor a clubby) & we didn't even fit her (just blow & show).  My Lowline X Shorthorn heifer won that division and we focused our fitting attention on her. 

Those 2 heifers beat a Grand Champion & a Reserve Grand Champion from 2 of the major fall Lowline shows in the US (NILE & American Royal), so they competed head to head against some of the elite Lowline Females that this breed has to offer & beat them.   

Also, a 3/4 blood Doc Holliday heifer (1/4 Tarentaise) that I sold, won Reserve Champion Percentage Heifer Calf.  The other Doc Holliday heifer that I sold won her class & she was also a 3/4 Lowline X 1/4 Tarentaise, but she got beat by the other heifer in the division.  Anyway, those 2 heifers did all of that despite being the ONLY 3/4 blood heifer calves in their entire division, so they had to show against a bunch of 1/2 blood heifers that completely out horsed them... yet they did pretty good considering, I thought. 

There are a lot of good fullblood Lowline bulls, but Doc Holliday is the real deal... he's balanced, he's complete, he is proven & his semen is only $20 per straw.   

I guess we could go on forever with who won what but the point is Lowlines work! I also know Schmit sold a 1/2 blood out of Low Beau for $9500

 

[LazyGLowlines]

The other won Reserve Division Champion Percentage Female.  She beat the Reserve Grand Champion Female at the American Royal in her division (who was fitted & who had beaten the above $4,500 high selling heifer at Kansas City). 

Actually, TJ, the heifer that sold for $4,500 in KC wasn't in Louisville. She'll be in Denver, though, so hopefully you'll be able to come and see them.  Bluey's doing a good job, especially since he's only had (1) calf crop in the U.S.. 

 

[TJ]

The other won Reserve Division Champion Percentage Female.  She beat the Reserve Grand Champion Female at the American Royal in her division (who was fitted & who had beaten the above $4,500 high selling heifer at Kansas City). 

Actually, TJ, the heifer that sold for $4,500 in KC wasn't in Louisville. She'll be in Denver, though, so hopefully you'll be able to come and see them.  Bluey's doing a good job, especially since he's only had (1) calf crop in the U.S.. 

You are correct.  She wasn't in Louisville & I never said that she was in Louisville.  HOWEVER, the Kansas City Reserve Grand Champion Percentage Female was at Louisville & that same heifer did beat the $4,500 heifer at the Kansas City show.  And my Doc heifer then beat that same Kansas City Reserve Grand Champion in their division at Louisville.  That is what I typed or at least that was what I was trying to type.  Never meant to imply that I had beaten that $4,500 heifer, but I did mean to imply that I had beaten a heifer that had previously beaten her, a few weeks prior.  That's all.     

Bluey is doing a good job & you wont ever hear me say that he isn't.  However, Doc Holliday is doing an awfully good job too & my 2 Doc Holliday daughters beating the NILE Grand Champ Fullblood & the Kansas City Reserve Grand Percentage at Louisville should be proof of that.