Ivy League TH Status

[yuppiecowboy]

STEER HIM????!!!! Good gawd people.

Hey, this sucks to be sure,but come on. I commented when I saw Ivy that he was the beacon of hope that you didnt need to be a TH carrier anymore to get yak hair and bone. Whoops. Doesnt mean he wont have his place in terminal steer production or managed breeding in search of his clean heir apparent.

 

[Carm]

Maybe there are enough mistakes that we can say the results of this test are not 100% accurate.  What if rather than double test a bull for accuracy, you looked at the status of the bull and his parents.  In this case Sonny is not a carrier so the bull's dam must be.  If you are breeding carrier cows and want to be really sure you are using a TH free bull, why not use a tested negative bull with tested TH free parents?  That would remove some of the rare human risk factor. 

 

[Show Heifer]

Carm: Nice thinking!! But, that would require common sense, AND that both parents be tested. If you look at pedigrees, you will notice very very many holes.
But, very nice logical thinking!

 

[colosteers]

Tama, of all the thousands of carriers that are available, why do you say to steer Ivy League.    I think you are trying to say eliminate all carriers,  but why start with Ivy League?    I have calves from him--  he's not a cow killer, or a 6 way cross of multiple breeds, and his daughters should be able to calve and milk ( maybe only save the tested clean hfrs). 
I guess it blows my mind that all the carriers, with some really serious problems besides th (they are talked about here on Steerplanet  all the time),  why steer this one?

I have some pretty nice calves from Ivy League and will use more semen in the future.  I feel bad for the owners to get caught up in all this.  I feel that they answered their call of duty, tested and promoted a very valuable sire, only to have this come up.

I remember back years ago, we all thought that we could breath again when the th test became available.  Now people are talking about how we can trust these tests and the labs that perform them.  If we can count the lab mistakes on one hand, out of I am guessing hundreds of thousands of tests, I believe that's pretty good.

Not to pick on Carm, but you said to use only tested free bulls from tested free parents, to get away from problems with the test.  Isn't this depending on the test just as much as ever?

I have rambled on enough while waiting for a cow to calve.    I just think that with the information that he is a unfortunate carrier, used properly-- Ivy league still has as much value as ever--  and probably more than alot of other bulls.

good luck to every one and have a good one

 

[CAB]

Maybe there are enough mistakes that we can say the results of this test are not 100% accurate.  What if rather than double test a bull for accuracy, you looked at the status of the bull and his parents.  In this case Sonny is not a carrier so the bull's dam must be.  If you are breeding carrier cows and want to be really sure you are using a TH free bull, why not use a tested negative bull with tested TH free parents?  That would remove some of the rare human risk factor. 

  The Dam is the tested carrier, that is why Ivy League was tested in the first place. It is just a case of human error. I hope that it doesn't happen very often. It is very unfortunate that it happens @ all, but it is what it is.
  I'm of the belief that the best thing that we can all take from this is that if you are going to promote a bull that is a possible carrier, or probably any bull that is worth trying to promote, that it may be prudent to double test.

 

[yuppiecowboy]

This makes 3 mistakes I know of. How many mistakes have been made, but never discovered?

This is a big deal. I hate testing, its a pain in the butt, I never hit the vein in the tail the first time, and it seems I usually get kicked in the same spot on my shin. Plus Im poor so paying for the test isnt what I would call entertainment for me.

You cant calculate the cost to Josh and his partners, whether in lost revenue, legal expense defending themselves from lawsuits (its going to happen) or even damage to reputation. They did everything right and it is still going to come back and bite them.

Where does the buck stop?

If the labs charge for the test, I hope they have Errors and Omissions insurance, because thats where the liability has to be placed.

 

[frostback]

THAT IS JUST THREE ERRORS FROM MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
I would guess there are numerous others out there. If I have to test twice and from two different companys the price better drop by more than half but I bet that wont happen any time soon. I am now second guessing every test I have sent in, and I like many do not have a lot extra to do it all again.

 

[aj]

I trhink frostback is right. There could be thousands of mistakes out there.