June 07 Heifer Out of SS KABOOM

[chambero]

The Angus cows in our country, even the "common" bred commercial ones everybody and their cousins have, aren't small cattle.  Most of our cows are 1/2 to 3/4 Angus, but they are big girls.  I really don't think small pelvis areas are that big of a problem with Angus-based cattle in general - at least not any worse than any other breed.  I do believe some people like cattle that are just too small, but where I live our common black cattle just aren't like that.

Honestly, I think there is too big a push for low birth weight cattle.  Maybe a few generations of heavy focus on that has resulted in too small of animals.  A few years ago we bought the most expensive bull we've ever bought - a really nice looking LBW Angus with very good projected EPDs.  His calves are too small.  We have no calving trouble out of him whatsoever, but the calves are hard to get growing they are so small to start with (he is pretty big himself).  Give me a herd of big Angus cows any day.  I think they give you more flexibility that just about any other kind of momma.

Anyway, this post is supposed to be about a very good Shorthorn heifer.  Back to subject.

 

[garybob]

RS DV 729 01 034 04  x4078267. That's his name& registration number. He's a Venture grandson out of a Titleist 269 granddaughter. Yes, he's had two calf crops a year, at home, plus AI calves at Sue's.

Have a good day, Y'all.

GB

 

[NHR]

RS DV 729 01 034 04  x4078267. That's his name& registration number. He's a Venture grandson out of a Titleist 269 granddaughter. Yes, he's had two calf crops a year, at home, plus AI calves at Sue's.

Have a good day, Y'all.

GB

GB,

I checked some his calves on the shorthorn website, Most are around 80 lbs with some low 70's and some upper 90's for BW. What would worry me about him is the weaning and wearling weights that are being reported, they are lite. I would like the 80lb BW but would have to have heavier weaning. Weaning affects the bottom line.

 

[garybob]

RS DV 729 01 034 04  x4078267. That's his name& registration number. He's a Venture grandson out of a Titleist 269 granddaughter. Yes, he's had two calf crops a year, at home, plus AI calves at Sue's.

Have a good day, Y'all.

GB

GB,

I checked some his calves on the shorthorn website, Most are around 80 lbs with some low 70's and some upper 90's for BW. What would worry me about him is the weaning and wearling weights that are being reported, they are lite. I would like the 80lb BW but would have to have heavier weaning. Weaning affects the bottom line.

NHR,

The "lighter" weaning weights are the result of 2 years' worth dry summers and falls in Central MO. Also, Ya gotta bear in mind, Rob's cattle run on strictly Fescue pastures ( with a "hotter" endophyte level than ours down here)with no creep. In two years' worth of "proof positive" Feedout data, Rob's Cattle won BOTH Gainability and %Choice (with Very acceptable YG's).

GB

 

[NHR]

I just got my 2008 - 2009 Shorthorn AI directory in and noticed that this 034 bull is in there. Mature frame score of 4.5?

 

[Doc]

I just got my 2008 - 2009 Shorthorn AI directory in and noticed that this 034 bull is in there. Mature frame score of 4.5?

It actually says 5.5 frame, but it also says he had a weaning wgt of 615 lbs. That could explain some of your earlier post where you noticed his calves had a lot of light weaning wgts. "Like begets like" He is not bred to sire muscle or heavy wgts, he is bred thru the 2 grandsires to sire maternal animals.JMHO

 

[shorthorns r us]

with soaring corn prices, a FS 3.5 may be more desirable.

 

[garybob]

with soaring corn prices, a FS 3.5 may be more desirable.

Yes, I defineately agree, so long as there was weight to go with the reduced frame. I think We, as in all of Us on here, would agree that "low-input" Genetics don't necessarily need to be produce"low-output" calves in the market place. That's what got Us, as an Industry, caught up in the "Framey '80's".

GB

 

[garybob]

I just got my 2008 - 2009 Shorthorn AI directory in and noticed that this 034 bull is in there. Mature frame score of 4.5?

It actually says 5.5 frame, but it also says he had a weaning wgt of 615 lbs. That could explain some of your earlier post where you noticed his calves had a lot of light weaning wgts. "Like begets like" He is not bred to sire muscle or heavy wgts, he is bred thru the 2 grandsires to sire maternal animals.JMHO

You mean "Maternally Efficient" Animals.
Hey, Doc, a Feller needs to understand that at Sneed's, there are no 1800-lb Cows. Not a 1600-pound cow, and not even a 1500-pound Cow. Do the Math. 615 pounds of "calf", raised by 1250 pounds of "Cow". These Shorthorns at Rob's are efficient. Not only that, They "Grade" and both "Gain & Convert". The 4 most frustrating traits to "Combine" in the Industry, in my opinion, are: 1. Maternal Efficiency, and 2. Feeding Performance (ADG, Conversion, and Health) , and 3.)Marbling , and 4. Adequate Muscling (indicated by both Ribeye Surface Area, and "Cutability").

Rob's cattle are closer than anyone else's within the Shorthorn Breed at tying all these things together.

JMHO,

GB

 

[NHR]

I just got my 2008 - 2009 Shorthorn AI directory in and noticed that this 034 bull is in there. Mature frame score of 4.5?

It actually says 5.5 frame, but it also says he had a weaning wgt of 615 lbs. That could explain some of your earlier post where you noticed his calves had a lot of light weaning wgts. "Like begets like" He is not bred to sire muscle or heavy wgts, he is bred thru the 2 grandsires to sire maternal animals.JMHO

It has his yearling frame at 5.5 and his mature frame at 4.5.

 

[Doc]

I just got my 2008 - 2009 Shorthorn AI directory in and noticed that this 034 bull is in there. Mature frame score of 4.5?

It actually says 5.5 frame, but it also says he had a weaning wgt of 615 lbs. That could explain some of your earlier post where you noticed his calves had a lot of light weaning wgts. "Like begets like" He is not bred to sire muscle or heavy wgts, he is bred thru the 2 grandsires to sire maternal animals.JMHO

It has his yearling frame at 5.5 and his mature frame at 4.5.

My bad. ))