Jungels-Durhams for Denver

[kfacres]

let me add at the end...

very often, or in very large ammounts... 

 

[M Bar]

Oh, Brother.....  you mean to say that you must breed your own stock for generations before using some other genetics?  If you really belive that then good luck selling your bucks and ewes since all of your potential customers should only use their own stock in your great opinion.  Your comment has to be the most ignorant thing I have read yet.

 

[kfacres]

Oh, Brother.....  you mean to say that you must breed your own stock for generations before using some other genetics?  If you really belive that then good luck selling your bucks and ewes since all of your potential customers should only use their own stock in your great opinion.  Your comment has to be the most ignorant thing I have read yet.

have you ever seen the triangle of producers? 

The very uppermost elite, breeders- which make up a tiny percentage of the overall people- they sell to the middle group.
The middle group, makes up roughly 1/3 of the people, they purchase from the elite, and sell to the bottom.  They are called multipliers.
The last group, is called commercial people-= they make up a huge percentage of the population, both number of  'breeders', and animals.  A few few purchase from the elites- most from the multipliers. 

who you buy from, and sell to... depends on what group you fall into...  For the most part, people are in only one tier...

I encourage people to use their own stuff, and unlike *you* most people, I do not push a 'sale'.. I want my customers to succeed, and could give a damn whether I sell them 1 ram that will work, or stick it up their ass on 10- rams for 10x the money.  If they need a peice, and I don't feel comfortable providing it, I tell them to go elsewhere-- that's a proven fact...  Most years I turn more potential customers away, than garner up ones that actually buy from us.  I'm not a fraid to tell someone to F off either, instead of selling them something. 

The older I get, the crankier I get—and the more I prefer not selling breeding stock.  You completely do away with the people who start out not liking it, then after a year love it, then after 2 years complain about his daughters, then after they wean.. They love them again…  When you sell directly to the consumer, or feedlot—you don’t have that worry and dread… 

 

[M Bar]

If you don't prefer to sell breeding stock, then why are you currently breeding stock?  Wouldn't selling at the salebarn be your best bet?

 

[kfacres]

If you don't prefer to sell breeding stock, then why are you currently breeding stock?  Wouldn't selling at the salebarn be your best bet?

I enjoy the challenge of trying to breed better stock, in my eyes- I also enjoy making homegrown food.  We're both fortunate to have good enough jobs, that the sheep can be our hobby and time to spend around 'friends'. 

If you go to my website, there won't be a single thing talking about selling breeding stock (unless there is something that I cannot think of off the top of my head)...  plenty about consuming lamb meat...

 

[M Bar]

Looked at your website.  Best lamb crop we ever had was from an Oxford buck from Richard Gilmore and our hamp ewes.  We took homegrown lamb chops to the National Western this year while we were in the yards.  Pretty darn good. 

 

[kfacres]

Looked at your website.  Best lamb crop we ever had was from an Oxford buck from Richard Gilmore and our hamp ewes.  We took homegrown lamb chops to the National Western this year while we were in the yards.  Pretty darn good. 

Don't get me wrong- the sheep almost always make ends meet in a year-- some they do; some they don't-- sounds like anything livestock and/ or farming related O0

A few years ago, we consigned two ram lambs to a performance testing station- both were scanned for LEA- one was 4.95 sq inches (2nd highest of the test against Texel, Suffolk, Hamp, Dorset, etc (mostly production oriented, not 'big' like mine), the other was 4.15 sq inches.. and a top 12 biggest, I think out of 55.  Anyways, this spring we had a crooked legged ewe lamb born, which physically was a tremendous beast that would have easily made a show string-- but we butchered her-- and needless to say: she was impressive in the chop category- three barely fit on a plate-- which is uncommon. 

I don't know if my wife, or mother make better lamb chops-- they're about even.. and tasty as you wouldn't believe...  Different recipe's.. same awesome taste..  Best eating hands down, IMO-- course they're way more expensive than anything else... 

 

[thunderdownunder]

I thought the Jungels sale was a pretty solid effort. Not a great fan of the selling format - haven't seen this kind of sale before - but it appears to work for them as the results show. It takes a lot of effort to bring that number of bulls to Denver and the team shold be congratulated on their efforts  (clapping)

Amongst the bulls themselves were some really easy fleshing, soft animals. The Task Force sons were quite uniform; good bodied, muscular bulls with strength of spine and a tad more frame. It was interesting to see the infusion of some different bulls through the catalogue which offered buyers the opportunity to introduce some new genetics to their herds. The Proud Jazz sons/grandsons, however, were still popular with buyers.

 

[aj]

What the hell is strength of spine.

 

[kfacres]

What the hell is strength of spine.

))
opposite as weak topped??? 

Maybe having them roach backed is a good thing down under?  (clapping)

 

[Doc]

Darn....looked like lot 5 sold pretty reasonable.....I had him marked. Lauer breeding pretty heavy in some of the lots.

25 of the bulls have no JSF breeding at all. None more than 2 generations deep. Odd considering their website says they started in '53.  

75% of jpj appears in all shorthorn pedigrees. its fair to say ohlde has a hold on the breed?

There is no way that jpj appears in 75% of Shorthorn pedigrees. I would say it would not even be 50 %.

 

[Okotoks]

Darn....looked like lot 5 sold pretty reasonable.....I had him marked. Lauer breeding pretty heavy in some of the lots.

25 of the bulls have no JSF breeding at all. None more than 2 generations deep. Odd considering their website says they started in '53.   

75% of jpj appears in all shorthorn pedigrees. its fair to say ohlde has a hold on the breed?

There is no way that jpj appears in 75% of Shorthorn pedigrees. I would say it would even be 50 %.

I was actually surprised how few JPJ's there were, especially on the hill. Even Jungels didn't make 50% JPJ influence in their bulls. I would guess the animals carrying JPJ were under 10% in Denver!

 

[aj]

Is that calling improver or deerpark leader Hubs impact 2 a problem? or jpj himself?

 

[linnettejane]

great pics from denver!

http://jeansboots.blogspot.com/2012/01/intense-and-on-track.html

http://jeansboots.blogspot.com/2012/01/mile-high-moments.html

http://jeansboots.blogspot.com/2012/01/come-one-come-all.html

 

[mark tenenbaum]

How did the Red Demand bulls look? I like the prdigree of him on Lauer Breeding.Thought 26 was one of the best in the sale-from pictures.JPG has been over and overed-Its interesting that the two linebred ones,16 and 17 brought 7750 and 5250,and that lot 32 a son had a 205wt of 652,which would probably be in the top 4% of all of them. The resultant yearling WTS of 905+- after 600+ lb weaning wieghts dont show me much.Those bulls were well presented and in good order-NOT fresh off desert plateaus. O0