We no saled the dr bull. Alot of the shorthorn heifers sold dirt cheap. There were some no sales. The sale was more a social event than anything. I don't know that the sale will survive you were right. It seems like it is more of junior deal. The positive deal as far as breeding was concerned they had a decent pen bull show. They had a angus pen of full brothers, a Charolais pen ,two shorthorn pens,a simmental pen, and a durham red pen. The Angus bunch of three won it and martys shorthorn pen took reserve.