Lincoln Red influence, continued

[librarian]

I think the LR easy keeping reputation is valid. The bull has steadily gained weight since getting kicked off a diet of sweet feed and alfalpha two weeks ago and turned out on pretty exhausted grass. I expected him to go backwards, but not so.
http://www.lincolnred.org/breed-history.html

 

[librarian]

A Lincoln Red, circa ?

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

White House Donald is a pic share by me....don't remember the year. Possible 50's.
LR are superb for weight gain.
The problem on my view is the heavy hair that is hardy to shed in some animals as well as big teats that are hardy to calf suckle.
Of course the new lines are minimize these problems.
I own some semen of old bulls.

 

[librarian]

Doing pretty good on prairie hay.

 

[librarian]

18 months today

 

[librarian]

I enjoy watching him grow

 

[mark tenenbaum]

He looks real good if hes more or less grass fed HERES THE  GRASS FEDS FROM THE BRITISH ISLES AND HAVE BEEN SINCE BEFORE A LOT OF CATTLE CAME TO THE US-Faro Cattle keeps talking about thinking out of the box MY TURN -WONDER IF HE"D RESPOND TO THIS almost ideal cross in the cold country on his small grass feds-Probably the highest yield grading grass-forage cattle in the world Whitebred Shorthorn x-1 : Highland 2-Galloway  O0 O0  http://www.jennifermackenzie.co.uk/2005/10/bloch.html

 

[mark tenenbaum]

This is a cell pic off a web site and not a good representation of a way cool Lincoln Red that went from Galbreath I believe to Martindall Shorts In KY-He got fed-but is maybe the most impressive one Ive seen-and hes going on a very good herd of cattle that have never gotten thoer due JMO

 

[yuppiecowboy]

not to hijack the esteemed librarians thread but I have long pondered why the Luing has not showed its presence in the contemporary show calf genre...

My experience with Lincoln Reds was positive... I had two cows out of Green Row Everlawn (or everready? Green row sumthin...) and they were superb cows. However I remember as a child Ralph Stirm had some LRs and while they were stout and soggy, they had horrible bags and sloppy sheaths on the bulls.

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

not to hijack the esteemed librarians thread but I have long pondered why the Luing has not showed its presence in the contemporary show calf genre...

My experience with Lincoln Reds was positive... I had two cows out of Green Row Everlawn (or everready? Green row sumthin...) and they were superb cows. However I remember as a child Ralph Stirm had some LRs and while they were stout and soggy, they had horrible bags and sloppy sheaths on the bulls.

Yes, depending of bull, we can get outstanding animals or just mongrels without class!

 

[librarian]

Slow and steady, he's coming along..that hay in the photo is all he's getting..but as much as he wants...same as the cows. I looked his dam over pretty good. She was a beautiful short wide roan with tremendous hip and a nice udder. I'm betting that will carry through from the MGS of this bull- Minn Max Leader- to his daughters. If not, they should marble well for Grassfed beef.
Good temperament on this animal.

 

[idalee]

Registration says this bull is polled but the bull pictured is horned

 

[librarian]

Registration says this bull is polled but the bull pictured is horned

Yes, I should call ASA and have them change that. I haven't because I thought they might charge me or something. I guess DMH registers them at birth before the horns are apparent, but it's misleading info, for sure. I believe- but could be mistaken in what I remember- that his dam wis dehorned, although her reg says polled. Her sire is listed as polled although he has scurs. I have a horned Beebe bred Synthetic son of Minn Max Leader- so know he throws horns. The Synthetic (Galloway/Shorthorn/ Tarantaise- maybe some Pharo Angus) is a good calf with much in common with the Lincoln Reddish bull. I got him because the Minn Max daughters are so moderate and nice and because Beebe has bred so much muscle, correctness AND convenience into his cattle.

 

[librarian]

Mark, #7 is a Blue Grey. I think using a light roan instead of a white Shorthorn would beget more blue. Black calf is the Minn Max Leader son from South Dakota. Minn Max Leader is the MGS of the Red Bull. Dam of Minn Max Leader was Maid of Promise 189th...dam of Maverick ( sire Ball Dee Perfect Count) Cherry Fillet (sire Weston Trademark III aka Filet). DMH had a very nice white bull, son of Leader 6th that I could not afford, but would have been dandy to make Blue Greys with. His name is Minn Snowflake ET. I really liked him.
Note 189th on bottom side of the white bull.

 

[librarian]

...if I had the ways and means, I would get as many CCL6th derived females from redbulls at YY as I could and AI them to that Snowflake bull...or better yet have the Snowflake bull do natural service- (for epigenetic reasons) Then I might have a herd of roans that were just right for my purpose.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I like thick easy keeping cattle that Show-like I had many years ago and not long ago till I had to sell off most of my cattle-That being said-I have the same respect for the ones here- Heres a link librarian to the rarest and stoutest OF ALL SHORTHORNS-they are the basis for the original grassfed cattle on the borders of England and Scotland-PLEASE HUMOR ME AND GO THROUGH THIS BREEDERS BLOG IN NORTHERN ENGLAND RE THE WHITEBRED SHORTHORN DISPLAYS AND LOOK AT THIS OLD BULL FROM BEHIND-HE BLOWS ALL OF THAT DUALSO CALLED NATIVE STUFF UP IN SMOKE AND THIS IS ONE OF ONLY A HANDFULL OF THESE CATTLE LEFT=SO DO THE COWS IN THIS HERD HES 10 or 12 IN THAT PICTURE AND LONG AS A NIGHT IN JAIL-SORRY-EVEN THE LATEST HI BW MAINE CROSS x CANADIAN ENGLISH CATTLE WONT TOUCH HIM-WANNA SAVE SOME CATTLE-THESE ARE SOME OF THE LAST IN EXISTENCE-AND THE HARDOING DUAL NO BUTT CATTLE WONT COME NEAR THESE CATTLE-AND THEY HAVENT CHANGED FOR 200 YEARS SO-ID LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS MANS WEB SITE MEANWHILE EMBRYOS WENT TO CANADA https://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.co.uk/news/10352669.Whitebreds_will_be_first_in_Canada/ O0

 

[librarian]

Test...getting error notices

 

[librarian]

Someone was importing Whitebred semen a while back, but I don't think it went anywhere. There is a Galloway breeder in Colorado who has a couple Blue Grey cows from Whitebred semen and I always wanted to try to get a 3/4 Galloway 1/4 Whitebred calf from him. But, honestly, I think it's just an example of the heterosis power derived from using a linebred strain of anything on another breed. Exactly like crossing Native Shorthorn to Lincoln Red Shorthorn. A true dual bull will show the masculine characteristic of bulls that breed feminine cows that will milk well. That does not translate to a muscular butt- that is a terminal trait one would expect in a breed just like Whitebred that is intended for beef production. But I really don't want to haggle about that, or about how some dual strains are scrawny while others are robust...that's an artifact of breeder selection.

 

[librarian]

I'll try to get a picture of Minn Max Leader so you can see the masculine phenotype that is consistently producing females with wide hips, big barrels and good udders, 1100-1300 lb range and feminine appearance. I will say that his sire, Cruachan Leader 551, (Max, dam and sire pictured) is not a bull I would expect to throw volume. He looks like the sort of Shorthorn I generally don't admire for grass type. On the other hand, he shows the sort of development the Leonhardt school of thought describes for cow makers. SO...we must assume judicious outcrossing the beef end of certain linebred dual strains (Haumont in this case) with maternally oriented older genetics is a recombination success. That the success is repeatable from the maternal line, crossed to various unrelated antique bulls points to volume prepotency of something behind the dam. But we all know this....what I'd like to see is a photo and some background on the sire of the 189th cow because I think she is key. Not genetically unique or magic- but representative of a repeatable combination based on generations of built in predictability. Although this thread is titled Lincoln Red influence, it's really about Minn Max Leader influence. I favor a Lincoln Red outcross (so far) for marbling and easy keeping- udders can be fixed easily enough. But it's just an outcross- it could be Galloway or Luing or anything hardy and correct for my purpose. The heritability of the modified phenotype is a matter of diligence.

 

[librarian]

Minn Max Leader, dam and sire. I'll try to get a recent photo soon. Also, when I was at beebe's, he had the nicest Blue Greys I've ever seen...going to a roan Native Shorthorn by one of his Galloway Synthetic bulls.