Lincoln Red influence, continued

[mark tenenbaum]

Test...getting error notices  ?????? O0

 

[librarian]

Test...getting error notices  ?????? O0

Don't know...I kept getting internal error messages when I tried to post. Finally broke the post up into shorter pieces and it went through. But, it really wasn't that much of a novel I had written, compared to some, sondont know what went wrong. SP can be glitchy.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The cattle in the last link above  that went to Canada to the Galloway breeder  are from a different herd-I doubt there are over 200 whitebreds left in the area from whence they came-They all look very similar and frankly-are very usefull thick attractive cattle to me: more so than alot of Shorthorns I see of various persuasions.-I think the traditional blue greys and highland crosses probably remain the best cross of Shorthorns there is over there-especially for grass cattle Some crosses work better than others especially in terms of how they grade-You dont have to look hard at that group of white cows to see the calf on a young one almost as big as she is. And when you look at Thiemans Leader-TO ME-I see whitebred influence in him,pedigree or no pedigree I also like Lincolns for alot of the same reasons (udders withstanding)-your red bull looks really good to be developed on basic hay and forage O0

 

[beebe]

What is the associations positions on Whitebred Shorthorns?

 

[librarian]

Here are some pictures of DMH Minn Max Leader ET, taken in Beebe's pasture last summer

 

[librarian]

Max

 

[librarian]

Max- very sweet tempered

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Hes deep and easy keeping looking Looks like the cattle I saw as a kid in the sixties-how do you think the calves would grade? If he was a heifer bull along with it-sire be usefull  O0

 

[librarian]

What is the associations positions on Whitebred Shorthorns?

I'm curious about this also

 

[beebe]

Hes deep and easy keeping looking Looks like the cattle I saw as a kid in the sixties-how do you think the calves would grade? If he was a heifer bull along with it-sire be usefull  O0

I never used him on heifers because I use Wagyu on my heifers.  I don't think it would be a problem, sure never had any problems on cows.  Yes I think useful is a good description.  I guess that is why  I use him.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

PICTURED IS MY VERSION OF USEFULL-AND HES A LLEGIT 0 BW BULL As far as the association-I think Whitebreds were around when the first cattle went into the Coates herdbooks or Cruickshank was breeding-White cattle were shunned tho so the commercial breeders used them and the first bred for grass cattle emerged-It is rumored that Charolais are descended in part from Whitebreds. If Monte Soules will allow a Sull Salute on a solution females calf to be 0 BW I guess anything is possible-Maybe we  could tell the association that a bunch of white ones got kept in the back pasture at Dunlap- OF COURSE THEYD BE SHORTHORNS ETC O0

 

[beebe]

I like him.  Any idea about his frame score?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

He had some grow (so do his calves) probably 5.6 to a six frame but he was massive probably 24-2500 pounds-Hes a GFS creole out of a really good sized proud jazz cow pictured One of her daughters  at Comptons has produced calves uo to $13000 from 4 different bulls in her second calf crop this year  and a crowd favorite 3.4 sister by creole that won Acksarban,Iowa beef expo. against a SalutexSolution National Champ was Jr Nationals champ appendix cow caf with her first out of an Angus clean up bull ETC.  -Hes triple clean etc He was lost at a young age but produced some really nice growthy and STOUT females out of xbreds and Shorthorns The main deal with him IS THEY MAKE GOOD COWS that can raise a calf  and are very easy keeping-shows or no shows O0

 

[cbcr]

Was looking at some information and found out that in the UK the Whitebred Shorthorn is on the endangers list of breeds with only about 150 - 250 animals.

The description of the Whitebred Shorthorn is:

The Whitebred Shorthorn is a completely separate breed from the Beef Shorthorn or Dairy Shorthorn. Whitebred Shorthorns are bred mainly in the border counties of England and Scotland, and although the origin of the breed is somewhat obscure, it is likely that they were derived from the white dual purpose Shorthorn cattle, locally known as the Cumberland Shorthorn.

The Whitebred Shorthorn bull is bred primarily as a crossing bull to mate with any breed of female, but principally with the Galloway to produce the noted Blue Grey, and the Highland producing a Cross Highlander, the progeny being well suited to the full range of British climatic conditions.