lookin for apricot

[beattieclubcalves]

lol funny story bout chis we just yesterday had a guy who has one of the old school long legged white chi bulls get loose and got in pasture with my cows you wanna talk about wild and suicide with tryin to catch him lol

 

[jbh]

Bar 5 was a HIGH ROLLER as I remember them years ago......the only Bar 5 bull I can remember was Bar 5 Casanova.....don't remember that much about him....but they sold some BIG DOLLAR ones at their sales.

I was thinking Chan told me one time that Achilles Superstar severly injured or killed a guy years ago at Mt Brilliant Farms....might be wrong, BUT, those ACHILLES cows would hurt you.  One nearly killed my mother-in-law.....rolling her around the pasture like a toy......until her German Shepherd dog got the cow OFF!

I've got a BUNCH of old Simmental in my vat tank.....Signal, Galant, BigNTall, Passport, maybe Abricot, Ueli, Generation 3,  and one that I wonder if anyone can remember......one of the first Black Simmental bulls called "Black Diamond".....I think he was a Nichols bred deal but not for sure.  Wouldn't mind using him if I new MORE about him.

 

[vcsf]

Bar 5 was a HIGH ROLLER as I remember them years ago......the only Bar 5 bull I can remember was Bar 5 Casanova.....don't remember that much about him....but they sold some BIG DOLLAR ones at their sales.

I was thinking Chan told me one time that Achilles Superstar severly injured or killed a guy years ago at Mt Brilliant Farms....might be wrong, BUT, those ACHILLES cows would hurt you.  One nearly killed my mother-in-law.....rolling her around the pasture like a toy......until her German Shepherd dog got the cow OFF!

I've got a BUNCH of old Simmental in my vat tank.....Signal, Galant, BigNTall, Passport, maybe Abricot, Ueli, Generation 3,  and one that I wonder if anyone can remember......one of the first Black Simmental bulls called "Black Diamond".....I think he was a Nichols bred deal but not for sure.  Wouldn't mind using him if I new MORE about him.

Yes, Bar 5 was very big time for a long time with a few different owners.  Casanova was the first of the big group of full sibs that probably grossed more dollars in sales than any other in Simmental history.  The only picture of Casanova's dam I ever saw was a head shot and some people claimed that that was because if you saw her you would never buy a calf from her.  However, Bob Gordon selected this cow in France as a heifer calf and said she was the best calf he saw on the trip and her mother the best cow.

Interesting what you say about Superstar.  All the progeny I was ever around, which wasn't that many, were good dispositioned including a cow a showed and that when I was setting her up to flush I could just walk in the pen with her and give her the shots without even putting a halter on her.

I don't know much about Black Diamond himself but attached a scan from a 1992 Nichols sale catalog where they sold the majority of their Simmental cows including about 35 Black Diamond daughters.

 

[justintime]

Yes, there was always lots happening around Bar 5 especially when it was owned by John and Mac Draper, Wilf Davis, and Ross and Donn Mitchell. I remember after one of their spring sales, sitting in a hotel room with John and Mac Draper and we were discussing the events of the day. A fullblood cow that was open and had not calved for two years sold for $95,000. I remember a 3/4 open heifer calf sold for $25,500. Achilles Golden Jet sold for $75,000 to Bobby Hull and Bob Duncan. The entire sale grossed over $1 Million , and the sale average was close to $20,000. There were lots of bulls selling over $10,000 with several in the $40,000 range.This would probably be equivalent to a sale average of over $40,000 in today's dollars.  As we were discussing this being the first million dollar sale in the breedm John Draper commented that it was a very good sale, but what the people who congratulated them don't know is that they still needed to generate another $600,000 to break even that year.  The next morning we met in the restaurant for breakfast and John Draper announces that he is flying to New York later that day. He said that he had just received a phone call from a Simmental breeder who said that he had heard that Mrs Rockefeller was interested in getting some Simmental cattle. As soon as John Draper heard this news he immediately phoned his travel agent and booked a ticket to New York. He said" I have to get there before anyone else hears about this. "Four days later, John returned from his New York trip accompanied by Mrs Rockefeller herself. I was still there as I was filling in for a guy who was away delivering sale cattle. They showed her the cattle and introduced her to all of us ( that was something that I always appreciated the Bar 5 guys for, this being, they treated their employees as well as the wealthy  investors as equals. Before Mrs Rockefeller left the next day, she left a check for $650,000 for cattle she purhased. Hudson Pines was now born.

 

[vcsf]

Yes, there was always lots happening around Bar 5 especially when it was owned by John and Mac Draper, Wilf Davis, and Ross and Donn Mitchell. I remember after one of their spring sales, sitting in a hotel room with John and Mac Draper and we were discussing the events of the day. A fullblood cow that was open and had not calved for two years sold for $95,000. I remember a 3/4 open heifer calf sold for $25,500. Achilles Golden Jet sold for $75,000 to Bobby Hull and Bob Duncan. The entire sale grossed over $1 Million , and the sale average was close to $20,000. There were lots of bulls selling over $10,000 with several in the $40,000 range.This would probably be equivalent to a sale average of over $40,000 in today's dollars.  As we were discussing this being the first million dollar sale in the breedm John Draper commented that it was a very good sale, but what the people who congratulated them don't know is that they still needed to generate another $600,000 to break even that year.  The next morning we met in the restaurant for breakfast and John Draper announces that he is flying to New York later that day. He said that he had just received a phone call from a Simmental breeder who said that he had heard that Mrs Rockefeller was interested in getting some Simmental cattle. As soon as John Draper heard this news he immediately phoned his travel agent and booked a ticket to New York. He said" I have to get there before anyone else hears about this. "Four days later, John returned from his New York trip accompanied by Mrs Rockefeller herself. I was still there as I was filling in for a guy who was away delivering sale cattle. They showed her the cattle and introduced her to all of us ( that was something that I always appreciated the Bar 5 guys for, this being, they treated their employees as well as the wealthy  investors as equals. Before Mrs Rockefeller left the next day, she left a check for $650,000 for cattle she purhased. Hudson Pines was now born.

JIT, Bob Gordon was in on the Achilles Golden Jet deal to and tells a good story about it in his book.  He says he was bidding for one group and ran out of money when I believe it was Bob Duncan come rushing around the sale ring wanting to join in.  Bob Gordon jokes that later told Bob Duncan that he wished some one had tripped him on his way over because of the amount of money they ended up losing on the deal.

One of the most interesting nights I had was sitting in a hotel room in Regina at Agribition time with John Draper and some others listening to some of the stories they had to tell.  Only bad thing about the night was it was in 1989 the night the Riders won the Grey Cup and we had missed watching the game because we had been in a meeting the whole time.

 

[aj]

What would galant semen sell for today? To me he is the bull. Registration number 10. I'm sure he is horned.

 

[knabe]

What would galant semen sell for today? To me he is the bull. Registration number 10. I'm sure he is horned.

i have a semen share i will sell you for $20,000.

 

[justintime]

I will always remember Bob Duncan after the sale. He was literally sick and he was trying to sell his share of the bull. He said to me, that he had promised his wife a new house that spring , and buying this bull was going to make that not happen. He even asked me if I would drive out to his farm and tell her what he had done, as he was afraid to tell her himself. Of course, I found a lot of things that I had to do,as I wanted no part of that problem.  Most of the guys in Bar 5 were one time Shorthorn and  Polled Hereford breeders. The original owners were: (1) Ross Thomas, Hartney, MB who made Kinnaber Leader 6th famous in the Shorthorn breed. He ran a great herd of over 300 Shorthorn cows at one time. (2) John and Mac Draper, Elgin, MB. They also raised Shorthorns under the name of Rothbury Farms.(3) Bob and Wayne Gordon, Souris, MB who also raised Shorthorns and later Polled Herefords and Angus under the name Kinnaber Stock Farm. Wilf Davis, eventually purchased Bob and Wayne's share. Wilf was raised with Polled Herefords, and was a Beef Specialist in Manitoba Agriculture prior to being hired as Bar 5's general manager. (4)Donn Mitchell lived at Douglas, MB and his Klondike Polled Herefords were world famous . Donn continue to raise the Polled Hereford cattle for many years after Bar 5 was formed.(5) Ross Mitchell was Donn's brother, and he also had a few Polled Herefords, but his main business was his large commercial feedlot.

 

[jbh]

Bar 5 was a HIGH ROLLER as I remember them years ago......the only Bar 5 bull I can remember was Bar 5 Casanova.....don't remember that much about him....but they sold some BIG DOLLAR ones at their sales.

I was thinking Chan told me one time that Achilles Superstar severly injured or killed a guy years ago at Mt Brilliant Farms....might be wrong, BUT, those ACHILLES cows would hurt you.  One nearly killed my mother-in-law.....rolling her around the pasture like a toy......until her German Shepherd dog got the cow OFF!

I've got a BUNCH of old Simmental in my vat tank.....Signal, Galant, BigNTall, Passport, maybe Abricot, Ueli, Generation 3,  and one that I wonder if anyone can remember......one of the first Black Simmental bulls called "Black Diamond".....I think he was a Nichols bred deal but not for sure.  Wouldn't mind using him if I new MORE about him.

Yes, Bar 5 was very big time for a long time with a few different owners.  Casanova was the first of the big group of full sibs that probably grossed more dollars in sales than any other in Simmental history.  The only picture of Casanova's dam I ever saw was a head shot and some people claimed that that was because if you saw her you would never buy a calf from her.  However, Bob Gordon selected this cow in France as a heifer calf and said she was the best calf he saw on the trip and her mother the best cow.

Interesting what you say about Superstar.  All the progeny I was ever around, which wasn't that many, were good dispositioned including a cow a showed and that when I was setting her up to flush I could just walk in the pen with her and give her the shots without even putting a halter on her.

I don't know much about Black Diamond himself but attached a scan from a 1992 Nichols sale catalog where they sold the majority of their Simmental cows including about 35 Black Diamond daughters.

Yep.....that's him.....don't know whether I could do that now or not.....

I about forgot about Achilles Golden Jet.....one of our best cows was a Golden Jet x Comm. Shorthorn cow....she lived forever and ALWAYS raised a good calf.

 

[aj]

knabe....bugs me I don't know much about galant. Tried to google him. I don't know if he was abs or kabsu or what. He really wasn't much of a wagon puller type Simmi. I remember him being kinda of a dark red herford pattern as far as color. His sons won a lot of bull tests back when a 3-4 simmi bull was used on commercial cows. Doubt he ever met any Rockafellers.

 

[justintime]

aj... Galant was a dark cherry red bull with small googles on his eyes. He worked especially good with Hereford females. They were Hereford marked and I would not doubt that a bit of Galant ( as well as a few other Simmi bulls) snuck into the Hereford breed back in that day. I seem to remember some strings of Polled Hereford bulls at some bull sales that seemed to have unusually big ears!

Galant was a good breeding bull although he was not appreciated as much once some of the bigger framed bulls were imported. Galant calves gained well, but they were more moderate framed than so others at that time. They were fairly thick, dark colored with very thick wavy hair. I don't remember any Galant offspring really setting the world on fire, but they were solid trouble free cattle that worked hard. He is probably a bull that could be re visited today.

 

[aj]

Sounds about right jit. I was trying to think when the beef epds started to be used. Maybe the 70's? Seemed like Galant was really good there with accuracies. He was a hair over average for bwt for back then but was usable.

 

[jbh]

Sounds about right jit. I was trying to think when the beef epds started to be used. Maybe the 70's? Seemed like Galant was really good there with accuracies. He was a hair over average for bwt for back then but was usable.

One of our BEST herd bulls was a Galant/Signal/Toni/Parisien......he was CHUNKY for his day and the females were awesome.

 

[oakview]

Interesting how many Shorthorn breeders got involved with Simmentals.  Studers had some pretty good Simmentals many years ago, too.  Almost all of these people said how their best cows were the ones that went back to a Shorthorn base.  Most of our neighbors that had black cattle also would tell you privately that their best cows resulted from when a Shorthorn bull jumped the fence.  Those blue roan cows were hard to beat.  Nice to hear Kinnaber Leader 6th x brought up.  He was always my favorite Leader 21st son.  I would probably use him today if I could find some semen.