Thank you Will for all the good things to say about our cattle. We were very disappointed to get the news about Triple X, and even more disappointing that do not have much semen stored. The momentum was really starting to pick up as people began to see his females mature. We are keeping the semen available to the public until we just can't let any more go. Montego Bay semen is readily available, and the extreme quality of his first calves has gained us a new partner on the bull, and an additional distributor to market his semen. Thank you Executive Sires for picking up this hot new calving ease sire.WB said:
low birthweight maine bull
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R1Livestock
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Lots of good options. If you're really looking to build a cow herd, you can rarely go wrong with Witch Doctor as a low bw maine. They're ugly for a while, but there are many a good Witch Dr cows out tromping pastures and raising really good calves. Might not be as showy or hip as some of the above mentioned choices, but he's a different pedigree and a useful piece for low bw options that aren't angus.
kfacres
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WJ Farms said:
For heifers? Just b/c he's got some calving ease/ low BW deals on the bottom side: there is something on the topside that scares most guys enough not to want to use it on mature cows... (angel)
Yeah I know but hes pretty small hisself and I think he would be aight but when you are talking about breeding maines to club calves and other maines chances are there arent a lot of low birthweight bulls in those breeds to use on a heifer so just go ANGUS as you tell everybody right? That would be the easiest...........but dealing with club calves or and them maines you always have a chance for that HIGH BW
kfacres
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WJ Farms said:
don't you have that with any animal mating?
Doesn't the cow contribute 50% of her BW genetics to the calf- and 100% of the enviroment?
So by breeding with a proven, pedigree approvable calving ease option: wouldnt' you take you chances from say 7 out of 10 being hard births--- to something like 3 out of 10 hard births?
If you lose half the calves from the hard births- and one cow for every 5 (which I don't think are too far fetched numbers for Maine, and Clubby genetics- as you say)
= out of 100 cows- would you rather have to assist 70 calves or 30?
Would you rather lose 35 calves- or 15?
Would you rather lose or C-Section 14 first calf heifers- or 6?
I have to disagree with that statement. There are some good options within the Maine breed for mating to heifers, and there are Maine breeders that are striving to make these kinds of bulls available to the public.WJ Farms said:
ZNT said:
They are striving but havent made it all the way there yet........alot of the good maine bulls that I have seen and Im sure there are more its hard to get semen on so they are having to use some of the club calves bulls that are 50% maine and it pretty much throws that LOW BW out the window.......but there are some that are low BW but I mean depends on what kind of cow you got.......so along with CUT THE BS breed then to an Angus bull has a heifer then you dont have to worry about it as much...
kfacres
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WJ Farms said:
The thing that people will never understand-- is square pegs- don't fit through round holes--unless they are small. Never, and I repeat NEVER- will the club calf people (who's focus is on making steers) be able to have both a calving ease option- that's compeitive in the ring. I compare it to a square rock-- ya with assistance that square rock will roll down a hill-- and even with rounding of the edges- it will never roll down the hill-- until it becomes a filed down- circle shaped rock-- at that point it will roll-- but will never again be a square rock.
OH Breeder
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WJ Farms said:
He must have had alot of EARLY calves since he is a 2010 model and they just sold semen last year. He doesn't have a track record. He is smaller framed but his shape is not conducive to calving ease. He is a concrete block.... stout dude. Besides calving numbers shape has to be considered when trying to calve out heifers.
RankeCattleCo
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Not to hijack a post.. I'll stay on the maine topic though...
Is mercedez Benz prone to throw some very chromed up calves? More si than him himself? One of my friends has a real nice Benz sired calf out of a PB maine cow (Don't know the gentics...) That is about as chromed, hairy, wide, and muscular as you can find one. Just wondering what others peoples results have been from first calvers and how much chrome the animals have. A colored up one out of a Milkman x Angus would throw a killer mainetainer....
As far as CE goes- would you recommend I-80 or Benz?
Is mercedez Benz prone to throw some very chromed up calves? More si than him himself? One of my friends has a real nice Benz sired calf out of a PB maine cow (Don't know the gentics...) That is about as chromed, hairy, wide, and muscular as you can find one. Just wondering what others peoples results have been from first calvers and how much chrome the animals have. A colored up one out of a Milkman x Angus would throw a killer mainetainer....
As far as CE goes- would you recommend I-80 or Benz?
OH Breeder said:
I never said anything about him having calves that were low birthweight...........I just said you could try him I never came on here and started anything about him producing calves that are Low BW I mean where did you even get that he must of had alot of EARLY calves cause hes only a 2010 model??? Im not sure there has been one single calf out of him but I just said you could try him his bottom side of his pedigree could give you the impression that he could be low-mid BW but then again his top says no way in HELL his calves are gonna be small........
kfacres
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WJ Farms said:
Just the very top of the top half... the bottom half, of the top half... could be smal.. I mean it does just say ANGUS>>>
OH Breeder
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WJ Farms said:
I would gather by your post/recommendation on a thread " low birth weight maine bull" you might have some other information that maybe we didn't know about. I guess for me if I am recommending "low birth weight" maine bulls they would something that has a history of low birth weight ie; Bouncer, Money Man, Witch Doctor.
Thanks for the clarification.
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With the club calf bulls, this is just me, I would prefer someone else test them out. I am not a first in line for calving ease on composites. But that's just me. Some people get along fine.
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