MAPP- Maine people

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I thought the MAPP program was voluntary but after reading the AMAA web site I find it's required. I've enrolled in it already but just certain cows. You can add cows to the program as needed.

here is what AMAA had to say.

Are you enrolled in MAPP or Breeder's Choice?  You must enroll in one or the other.  If you do not enroll, you will automatically be enrolled in the Breeder's Choice program. To find more information on the two programs, please scroll down on the home page to Special News ad find the date 8-9-08:MAPP Letter & Performance Brochure

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pdfs/2008/2009PerformanceLetter&Brochure.pdf

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[knabe]

i enrolled

 

[PaPigMan]

I have yet to enroll.  I guess I am still confused as to how the system works.  Are they going to charge a fee per year/per animal?  If not, it seems like a no brainer to enroll.  If they are, it seems like a ploy to squeeze more money from the membership.  I am still deciding as to whether or not to be upset with the AMAA and the MAPP program.

 

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I have yet to enroll.  I guess I am still confused as to how the system works.  Are they going to charge a fee per year/per animal?  If not, it seems like a no brainer to enroll.  If they are, it seems like a ploy to squeeze more money from the membership.  I am still deciding as to whether or not to be upset with the AMAA and the MAPP program.

In our recent travels MAPP has been embraced very enthusiastically by those we have discussed it with.
The opportunity for the breed to gain a higher predictability of genetic value is a very positive and
welcome sight. Leading up to the January 1, 2009 program inception date some preliminary exchange of
information will be requested of the AMAA membership. Your timely and accurate response to each
mailing will help the process tremendously.
A MAPP participant will:
< receive epd’s on registered progeny
< if not registered but data reported, may request a performance pedigree @ $10 per head
< if not registered but reported, data will be a part of AMAA performance program but not available
to breeder
A non MAPP participant will:
< not receive epd’s on registered progeny
January 1, 2009 registration fee schedule:
MAPP Participant Breeder’s Choice (non-participant)
Under 13 months $20 $30
13-23 months $25 $35
24 months and over $50 $60
Reported Active
Females for 2009 $0
2010 and beyond $5
204 Marshall Rd.• P.O. Box 1100 • Platte City, MO 64079-1100 • (816) 431-9950 • Fax (816) 431-9951
E-mail: [email protected] • www.maine-anjou.org
AMERICAN MAINE-ANJOU ASSOCIATION
Before you make the decision to be a non-participant please realize the possible long term draw backs,
i.e.:
< you will lose some potential buyers to programs that offer MAPP data as a part of the pedigree.
This will happen!
< future rules of expo and national sales that will require MAPP data in order to sell
< ability to qualify for bull test sales
< critical loss of time regarding accuracy of data for your herd
Maine-Anjou Performance Program regulations:
1. All registered Maine-Anjou and MaineTainer females are included in the MAPP program.
Registered females of another breed or commercial females will not be charged the active
female fee.
2. A member’s registered active female herd can only be a part of either MAPP or Breeder’s
Choice, not both.
3. A member’s herd must be enrolled in MAPP in order to attain epd’s on progeny. (If all AMAA
performance criteria is met)
4. Enrollment forms will be sent in early summer of each year with a noted date of return.
5. For those members that did enroll in MAPP, inventories will be sent in late summer with a
noted date of return. A penalty of $50 will apply to those inventories returned after posted
deadline.
6. Invoicing and payment of MAPP active females will take place in January of each year.
(Remember that in 2009 the active female fee will be waived)
7. When a herd is enrolled in MAPP, an active female must be enrolled in order to transfer.
8. Stated registration and transfer fees will apply to progeny of MAPP females.
9. Non-registered progeny data will be a part of the system but not available to breeder unless the
breeder requests a performance pedigree at a cost of $10 per animal.
10. A reactivation fee of $50 per animal applies only when cattle are declared on the MAPP
inventory, dropped and then reactivated.
11. Multiple-owned females must be on each individual member’s inventory in order to register
progeny.
12. One of the following must be received at the AMAA office for each female inventory:
a. A calf record, inclusive of AMAA performance record requirements.
b. A disposal code on the cow.
c. A calving code for non-live calves.
13. When a female is purchased from a herd participating in the Breeder’s Choice program by a
herd participating in MAPP, the MAPP member must pay the current year annual active fee
($5) in order to activate the female on inventory list.
Without a doubt there will be situations that are unforeseen and will need to be handled on a one-toone
basis. In immediate situations the Executive Vice-President will be called to make the decision.
The American Maine-Anjou Board of Directors recognizes that change does not always come easily
but truly believes that MAPP offers breed stability along with long-term growth and a wider arena for
Maine-Anjou genetic acceptance.

 

[Jill]

The problem I have and no one has been able to give me an answer is what happens to the 25% of my cows I use for recips (different ever year), they don't have a recordable calf in the year, does that make them inactive and then you have to pay the fee to reactivate???  If it works like Shorthorn's they have this program, but don't enforce you to record a calf, in that case it would be a plus, otherwise it could get very expensive for those of us that don't always breed for a registerable calf.

 

[PaPigMan]

Red,

I am still struggling with this.  I understand that breeder's choice participants will pay higher registration fees and will not receive performance data.  But, are they charging a yearly fee for females enrolled in the MAPP program?

I, for the life of me, cannot follow the AMAA's reasoning for creating a two headed monster, MAPP and breeder's choice.  I go back to my earlier post, if the only differences are that breeder's choice members pay higher registration fees and do not receive performance data, why in the world would anyone not enroll in the MAPP program?  What would the purpose be of breeder's choice?

 

[PaPigMan]

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[Jill]

I called the office yesterday to find out, they are in Ft. Worth and will call next week, I'll let you know what I find out.

 

[PaPigMan]

Thanks.  I am still on the fence as to which program to enroll.

 

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The only reason I enrolled when I thought it was volunteer was because some of the sales we go to EPD's are almost a must.
I don't think at the begining they made it very clear on it being required. They must have a lot of people dragging their feet because they are way past the date that you needed to have info in.

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[Jill]

I guess for me I don't think it is either good or bad, just too many questions no one can answer.

 

[P-F]

They told me that their are no fees for this year and to enroll everything and they will have more info as the year goes on to better explain things

 

[showcattlegal]

what I don't understand about the whole thing is that I have some mine cows and a lot of them are bred for maine tainers which don't have epd's anyway so why would I want to pay for them.

 

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what I don't understand about the whole thing is that I have some mine cows and a lot of them are bred for maine tainers which don't have epd's anyway so why would I want to pay for them.

my Mainetainers have EPD's.

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[showcattlegal]

Maine Tainers only have epd's if both parents have them. Most of the clubby bulls don't have them.