Doc
Well-known member
Because, Doc, I only used bulls that I knew the BW's on, and had made personal visits to their breeders and viewed their dams. I used, almost exclusively, Bulls from Shorthorn Breeders Y'uns ain't never heard about, and, probably never will, as most of them are working on "Thousand Hills Ranch", nowadays. Guys like Tom Deffenderfer, Max Whittle, Dr. CE Harlan, and Russell Sloan, for example. I also bought bulls from Brian Banzet, Paul Bridwell, and Stanley Stanton. People with common sense. I used the following AI bulls :Waukaru Carnegie, and GFS Creole, and NEO-SHO-Millenium (Red Angus).
Doc, I have seen FIRST HAND, with my own eyes, a giant, dead one out of Durango. Again, at the place of somebody in SW MO, who wanted a single great one, instead of a pasture-full of good ones that calve unassisited and raise a calf to weaning every year. Different strokes for different folks, and, my opinion isn't obviously, worth the price of a 20-ounce Soda. However, don't take my word for it, refer to Cody Nelson's column in the current Shorthorn Country. I'm not the only one who's stirring the pot.
GB
[/quote]
GB, First of all , a lot of those guys you mentioned I have met. I geuss if all those guys with "common sense" are dead , I geuss the rest of us people with no common sense need to just to go ahead & hang it up. As far as that big Durango calf goes , I presume it was all the bulls' fault. I'm sure the cow's genetics or how she was fed or if he checked his cows when they were due never figured into the equation. As far as Waukaru Carnegie goes, I owned his sire Irish Marc , he was a calving ease sire that the majority of his calves didn't perform well enough for what I wanted. The dtrs made pretty good cows but you sure didn't get any show calves. It just depends on what you're trying for. Your opinion is valued as much as the next person (except for JIT, he's got a lot of knowledge & he's more diplomatic than you & I
) , it's just that you sure think that your way is the only way.
Doc, I have seen FIRST HAND, with my own eyes, a giant, dead one out of Durango. Again, at the place of somebody in SW MO, who wanted a single great one, instead of a pasture-full of good ones that calve unassisited and raise a calf to weaning every year. Different strokes for different folks, and, my opinion isn't obviously, worth the price of a 20-ounce Soda. However, don't take my word for it, refer to Cody Nelson's column in the current Shorthorn Country. I'm not the only one who's stirring the pot.
GB
[/quote]
GB, First of all , a lot of those guys you mentioned I have met. I geuss if all those guys with "common sense" are dead , I geuss the rest of us people with no common sense need to just to go ahead & hang it up. As far as that big Durango calf goes , I presume it was all the bulls' fault. I'm sure the cow's genetics or how she was fed or if he checked his cows when they were due never figured into the equation. As far as Waukaru Carnegie goes, I owned his sire Irish Marc , he was a calving ease sire that the majority of his calves didn't perform well enough for what I wanted. The dtrs made pretty good cows but you sure didn't get any show calves. It just depends on what you're trying for. Your opinion is valued as much as the next person (except for JIT, he's got a lot of knowledge & he's more diplomatic than you & I
) , it's just that you sure think that your way is the only way. 
