Milkman

[RankeCattleCo]

I'm sure that some one must have some experience with Milkman.  I found his dam's reg. #, put it in the search at the Charolais US website amd found nothing.  We're trying to get a heifer reg or atleast know what breed %'s are in her so we can register down the road as this is our first heifer.  Here's what I found on Bullbarn-

Chi- 6.883%
Maine- 14.843%
Angus- 14.98%
Other- 63.28%

The "other" is where I'm stuck. Obviously 50% or higher char but the rest is where im stuck... Shorty maybe? Simmi? Our heifer is a Milkman x PB Angus so we know she's 1/2 angus

Thanks in advance,
Ryan

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Nobody...?

 

[OH Breeder]

I'm sure that some one must have some experience with Milkman.  I found his dam's reg. #, put it in the search at the Charolais US website amd found nothing.  We're trying to get a heifer reg or atleast know what breed %'s are in her so we can register down the road as this is our first heifer.  Here's what I found on Bullbarn-

Chi- 6.883%
Maine- 14.843%
Angus- 14.98%
Other- 63.28%

The "other" is where I'm stuck. Obviously 50% or higher char but the rest is where im stuck... Shorty maybe? Simmi? Our heifer is a Milkman x PB Angus so we know she's 1/2 angus

Thanks in advance,
Ryan

I do not think you can register your calf. The Charolais association is not like others on percentages. I have a Tinman daughter and we could not get her registered either there's a long story with it but see below for the rules. Your sire would have to be registered. Milk Man may not be.

2. For Charolais-cross under 31/32:
a. except for the first cross, the sire and dam must be registered or recorded in AICA herdbook
b. dam or sire on first cross must be registered Charolais not less than 31/32
c. sire having less than the 3/4 Charolais breeding is not eligible for recordation

 

[RankeCattleCo]

I realized she coudln't be registered, but I'm wondering if anyone knows how much char Milkman has in him and how much and what breed the "other" is.  Basically what are his breed %

 

[OH Breeder]

I realized she coudln't be registered, but I'm wondering if anyone knows how much char Milkman has in him and how much and what breed the "other" is.  Basically what are his breed %

are you asking what the "other" is on his registration? That's the Char in him on the Chianina website. 334046 Maybe I am confused as to what you are asking?

WNTS Charolais is the dam. Are you looking for his dam's info?

 

[RankeCattleCo]

OH Breeder-
Sorry i wasnt clear, read back and i couldnt understand what i was asking either lol

Milkman has 14% angus and maine and 7% chi and his other is about 63%.  I realize that 50% (give or take) is char, BUT WHATS THE OTHER 13%?  Simmi? Shorthorn? Maybe more Char? If I had this info and the 100% angus from the dam, then I can divide it by 2 to find how much of what breed is all in my heifer.  So then when I go to reg. her calf, I know what breeds she is and isnt eligable for.

 

[OH Breeder]

http://www.cattlesalepage.com/wentblacks/

Ryan Went bred him. I would bet you if you called him he could offer you some info. His contact info is on his web page.

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Thank you very much!!! ;D

 

[hntwhitetail]

The other 13% would be shorthorn from heatseeker/heat wave and maine from Heat Wave....

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Is he as high as 13% shorty? that would've ment heat wave was 25%, which is a possibility because I dont know much about him.  And about the Maine- i already know about that, 14.843% maine, so the maine from heat seeker would've been included there.

 

[kfacres]

Is he as high as 13% shorty? that would've ment heat wave was 25%, which is a possibility because I dont know much about him.  And about the Maine- i already know about that, 14.843% maine, so the maine from heat seeker would've been included there.

HS was half shorthorn-- HW would be 25%-- if Milkman is a son of HW, he'd be 12.5% Shorthorn.

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Is he as high as 13% shorty? that would've ment heat wave was 25%, which is a possibility because I dont know much about him.  And about the Maine- i already know about that, 14.843% maine, so the maine from heat seeker would've been included there.

HS was half shorthorn-- HW would be 25%-- if Milkman is a son of HW, he'd be 12.5% Shorthorn.

Thanks for the help BS. Since I know that you know Shorthorns, what's the requirement to show and reg. shorty pluses?

 

[vcsf]

I believe that Milkman is out of a purebred Charolais cow named HFCC Ambrose 11L.

The main question you seem to be asking is what you can register a calf by Milkman out of a purebred Angus cow as.  The simple answer is only in a breed where Milkman is registered and I suspect that that is only Chi.

 

[RankeCattleCo]

vcsf-
That's pretty much the info that I was looking for. My calf is only 3.45% chi though, so is that registerable?

The second thing I was looking for is what breeds and what % of each breed were in milkman, which I found.

 

[JSchroeder]

Registerable, yes.

Whether that can be shown depends on when it was born and which show you are trying to show in.

 

[kfacres]

to show shorty plus-- I'm 99% certain you must be 50% or greater-- in your case- it wouldn't matter as I'm sure none of the ancestors- except HS are registered Shorthorn...

Chi-- I heard once, that if you take a straw of Chi semen- wave it over your tank-- everything in there will produce a registerable Chi offspring.  I'm pretty sure to be eligible to paper Chi-- one must be alive- and either male or female...  <party>

Seriously though- I'm pretty sure I just saw something where the Chi ass'n was changing a rule-- so that in the future everything must be a min. % Chi to register, and I think even higher to show.  I don't know if that percent was 10%, or 15, or something else...

 

[frostback]

New Percentage Rule for ACA Sponsored Shows

•Breeding cattle born on or after January 1, 2012 must have a minimum of 6.25% Chianina blood in order to participate in ACA nationally sponsored shows or sales. Breeding cattle with less that 6.25% Chianina blood are still eligible for registration and may still be shown or sold at any show or sale other than ACA nationally sponsored shows or sales. Nationally sponsored shows or sales include the following: The Southewestern Stock Show & Rodeo held in Ft. Worth; the Junior National; the National Show in Louisville; and the National Western Stock Show in Denver.
•Please note cattle born before January 1, 2012 that have less that 6.25% Chianina may still show in ACA nationally sponsored shows.
•If you have questions regarding this, please contact the ACA staff or any ACA Board Member.

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Thanks guys.  One last question...  I-80 is 87.5% maine.  Whats his other 12.5% or 1/8?

And bs- Im talking about what % shorthorn i would need to breed to my heifer to get a reg. shorthorn +

 

[kfacres]

Thanks guys.  One last question...  I-80 is 87.5% maine.  Whats his other 12.5% or 1/8?

And bs- Im talking about what % shorthorn i would need to breed to my heifer to get a reg. shorthorn +

100%--- b/c unless you wanted to go back and a paper everything b/w HS and your heifer--- everything in her pedigree is considered a ZERO, regardless of what's there...  and even then, I'd say you'd have to use something atleast 7/8 or higher to get it.. if she's a 1/4.. which she's not.. which means you'd be forced to use a 15/16.. which is considered PB. 

  I had a similar story on a Shorthorn cow of mine, which traced back to a fullblood Maine-- or 3/4 Shorthorn..  Really in blood- my heifer is about 75% Shorthorn-- but b/c of the lack of Registrations-- and me not wanting to waste my money... I'll keep her papered as a half blood...


I80-- guess and say Angus...  if you know his Reg #, you should be able to access that pedigree online to find out. 

ETA I found him... bottom side goes back to WMW-- and his mother is only a 3/4 blood...  The topside is something like 93% Maine- so he's prob got some Angus way back in there. maybe a touch of chi... 

 

[kfacres]

sorry.. typo...  grandmother is 3/4  the very bottom side, is an unknown.. most likely ANgus or Chi.. something unreg though for sure...


topside is 93% for several generations... so that whatever, is WAY back...