NAME THE BULL!

[scotland]

how about this record hi-seller?

 

[kfacres]

how about this record hi-seller?

is his name right directly under the picture?

 

[knabe]

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bx6aq3tOhE0C&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=bapton+cairnbrogie&source=bl&ots=a3Jj8xYXXF&sig=1vg0usQeOatrUXNUgQzx-N9AQbo&hl=en#v=onepage&q=bapton%20cairnbrogie&f=false

 

[justintime]

My first thought when I saw this picture was Bapton Cairnbrogie that was used at Rothney, and then I read the next post and I looked back at the picture and saw the printing on the bottom. He was considered to be a big sire in his day!!! |Now I wonder how he got any cows bred.

 

[Okotoks]

My first thought when I saw this picture was Bapton Cairnbrogie that was used at Rothney, and then I read the next post and I looked back at the picture and saw the printing on the bottom. He was considered to be a big sire in his day!!! |Now I wonder how he got any cows bred.

I believe Bapton Cairnbrogie was Bapton Constructor's younger full brother.

 

[Okotoks]

Going way back, almost have to hope it was a poor artist!

This is not the most often used picture. He sold for 1000 guineas in 1810 which I think was about 1050. pounds.

Computing 'Real Value' Over Time With a Conversion Between U.K. Pounds and U.S. Dollars, 1830 to Present

http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/exchange/result_exchange.php

Here is a conversion factor from 1830 so this bull sold for about the equivalnet of $121,000 today.
2nd clue he is very linebred!

Computing 'Real Value' Over Time With a Conversion Between U.K. Pounds and U.S. Dollars, 1830 to Present

Current data is only available till 2010.

When using the CPI/RPI, the (average) value in 2010 of £1050 from 1830 is $121000.00. The range of values is from $78800.00 to $161000.00. This answer is better if the subject is a consumer good or something else of interest to an individual.

When using the GDP deflator, the (average) value in 2010 of £1050 from 1830 is $111000.00. The range of values is from $80200.00 to $199000.00. This answer is better if the subject is a capital investment or government expenditure.

 

[justintime]

I'm going to guess that this bull is Comet... the famous bull from the 1800s. I was thinking that Comet was on  the scene later in the 1800s but he did look like this . 

In  regards to  computing real worth between todays prices and those in the past, if you go back and look at some sales held in the 1940s and 50s and convert them to 2011 values, they make the bigger sales today look pretty ordinary.

 

[Okotoks]

I'm going to guess that this bull is Comet... the famous bull from the 1800s. I was thinking that Comet was on  the scene later in the 1800s but he did look like this .  

In  regards to  computing real worth between todays prices and those in the past, if you go back and look at some sales held in the 1940s and 50s and convert them to 2011 values, they make the bigger sales today look pretty ordinary.

It is Comet. Here is an interesting link to his pedigree(page 336) and on page 338 Wrights calculations of his inbreeding

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2456273?seq=7

Sandy Cross bought Calrossie Highland Piper for $30,000 in 1952, according to the inflation calculator that is $243654.26 in 2010!!

 

[justintime]

I'm going to guess that this bull is Comet... the famous bull from the 1800s. I was thinking that Comet was on  the scene later in the 1800s but he did look like this .  

In  regards to  computing real worth between todays prices and those in the past, if you go back and look at some sales held in the 1940s and 50s and convert them to 2011 values, they make the bigger sales today look pretty ordinary.

It is Comet. Here is an interesting link to his pedigree(page 336) and on page 338 Wrights calculations of his inbreeding

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2456273?seq=7

Sandy Cross bought Calrossie Highland Piper for $30,000 in 1952, according to the inflation calculator that is $243654.26 in 2010!!

Interesting stuff...... This made me think back to a few purchases in my own lifetime, and wonder about what the prices would be in 2011 dollars. In 1983, we purchased IDS Duke of Dublin for $25,000 US and we felt we had got a bargain at that. In  2011, this price would be equivalent to paying $55321.10. Even at this price he was still a bargain as we sold 3400 straws of semen in the two years after he arrived here from Ireland at $35/straw. In 1983 we took Duke to Denver and displayed him by himself. In 1984, we took Duke back to Denver along with 12 of his calves and displayed them right in front of the Exchange Building in the yards. We got semen orders for over 1000 straws of semen while at Denver and sold 10 opf the 12 calves for an average price of $3580 (Which is $7171.89 in 2011 dollars). Harry Krug from Kansas told me he would trade me his farm and my choice of any three women for Duke. I kept the bull!
When I look at some of these prices and the comparisons, it makes many of today's prices seem pretty ordinary.

 

[vcsf]

I always enjoyed this thread so thought I would bring it back up.

Here is a bull to take a guess at.  Don't know that anyone will get it just from this picture so I will give the hint that it is a Simmental that has been talked about on here fairly recently.

 

[aj]

Is the bull 600u? I met the breeder of comet one year out at Denver. He loved to sit in the stands and watch the Shorthorn show. We later went out and drank wine spritzers. This was pre-clovis.....he was a deliteful gentleman. Ahhhhhhh fond memerories.

 

[CJB]

I always enjoyed this thread so thought I would bring it back up.

Here is a bull to take a guess at.  Don't know that anyone will get it just from this picture so I will give the hint that it is a Simmental that has been talked about on here fairly recently.

Sure looks like Fortune 500 to me...

 

[vcsf]

I always enjoyed this thread so thought I would bring it back up.

Here is a bull to take a guess at.  Don't know that anyone will get it just from this picture so I will give the hint that it is a Simmental that has been talked about on here fairly recently.

Sure looks like Fortune 500 to me...

Yes that is Fortune 500.  I wonder if you would have got it without a hint.

Here is another one to have a go at.

 

[GM]

Here's a rarely seen picture of a very influential Shorthorn bull.  It might be easy to guess, but I think I've only seen one other picture of him.  Name the bull!

 

[fullblood]

????

 

[knabe]

He better not be ayatollah, the headgear looks too old. Really low brisket obscures how pinched he is as does his good top line  where's his tuckus. Ugh.

 

[GM]

He's not Ayatollah (when you think of Ayatollah think giant, solid red, Illawara/Shorthorn/? cross.) 

Here's a clue...believe it or not, he is a common ancestor of the following widely talked about Steer Planet Shorthorn bulls: Trump, Double Stuff, Proud Jazz, Timeline, Sonny, Gizmo, Wild Side, Saskvalley Bonanza, Diamond Prophecy 21P, Captain Obvious, 034, 329, TG /RRA Complete 421U, even Sodhouse Lancer if you go back far enough...the list could go on....and he's  even in Heatwave's pedigree lol!!!!  He's not believed to be a TH carrier.

 

[Okotoks]

Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)

 

[GM]

Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)

You got it!  I'm curious if you or anyone had seen this picture of him before.  I hadn't until I purchased a book last week titled Shorthorns in the 20th Century UK and Ireland.  There's a chapter on Irish shorthorns that's really interesting.  It includes this picture of Deerpark Leader and a picture of Highfield Improver.  It's an interesting read for all the Shorthorn enthusiasts on the forum.  Leader is in the pedigree of just about every animal that has a Deerpark or Highfield prefix.  I think its harder to find a popular Shorthorn bull that doesn't have Deerpark Leader somewhere in their background.  He was born in 1967 and has had progeny registered as recently as the year 2000.

 

[Okotoks]

Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)

You got it!  I'm curious if you or anyone had seen this picture of him before.  I hadn't until I purchased a book last week titled Shorthorns in the 20th Century UK and Ireland.  There's a chapter on Irish shorthorns that's really interesting.  It includes this picture of Deerpark Leader and a picture of Highfield Improver.  It's an interesting read for all the Shorthorn enthusiasts on the forum.  Leader is in the pedigree of just about every animal that has a Deerpark or Highfield prefix.  I think its harder to find a popular Shorthorn bull that doesn't have Deerpark Leader somewhere in their background.  He was born in 1967 and has had progeny registered as recently as the year 2000.

I have never seen that photo before. I can't find the one they used to use for him but I think it was a better photo if I remember it correctly.You are right about Deerpark Leader being in almost every pedigree even if it's may generations back. Where did you purchase the book?