Need some help...

[bluffcountrycattle]

OK...first off, take a guess by looking at the pictures and try to determine the breed make-up of this calf.  Feel free to post your thoughts!

Now...here is the deal.  The calf's dam in the picture is a registered angus cow, who a friend of mine sold last fall.  She was AI bred to another registered angus bull that is owned by another friend.  The cow calved very close to her AI date for the new owner.  This is the resulting calf!  To top it off, this friend did not own any bulls at the time, and there wasn't a stray bull within 5 miles of the farm.  The only semen in his tank was angus and hereford.  The cow was bred AI by a certified tech.  Also I may add, that the AI sire has sired 2 calf crops for his owner, totaling about 40 calves.  ALL have been registerable, with only a couple with some white on the udders.  The bull was bred by a respectable breeder, so highly doubt any funny pedigrees.  And they would have seen something show up with that many calves prior.  The bull was collected at a respectable custom AI stud too.  All the calves at the bull's owners were sired naturally, where as this calf is the result of semen that was sold.  Is there a chance that there could of been a mixup or "mixing" of the original collection that resulted in this calf?  Or do you think it still could be by 2 registered angus parents?  We are totally confused and will most likely pull a dna sample to do a parentage to find out for sure what is going on.  The owner is a commercial producer and isn't worried about a little color.  We just would like to find out if possible!  I was just curious what everyone's thoughts were, and see if there were any other possible explanations!!  Thanks!  :-\

 

[midway6376]

Did they raise the cow? Is there any chance it came from the cow?

 

[bluffcountrycattle]

Always a chance I guess...she was AI sired herself by a big name AI bull, and she looked like a daughter of that bull.  The grand dam was purchased, but if there was any monkey business too far back it would of showed up sooner I think.  He has only used registered angus bulls via 100% AI program...no bulls around!

To complicate things, he sold another cow to a neighbor too.  That cow family has been known to throw some excess white in the past.  She calved to her AI date too, and the calf was out of the same bull in question.  You guessed it...solid black!  Although I've never bred any like this, doesn't it look like it was sired by a shorthorn bull??

 

[Cowboy]

Wonering if possibly one of the Hereford units of semen was taken out by mistake when the semen was sold.

Many times those F-1's will be brockle faced, some white socks and for sure a white belly. If I was guessing, that would be my vote instead of the Shorthorn -- mainly due to the more feminine makeup -- I would think the Shorty'swould have put more lower quarter into it than that.

Had to be something crossed up though, even a FISHY Angus pedigree would be hard pressed to sire that much difference wouldn't you think??

Nice calf however, if he is simply in the commcercial business, and it is sale barn bound -- I guess it really doesn't matter. It would be nice to know the place of the erroe though!

Good luck finding out -- -

Terry

 

[Okie Boy]

I have had several WMW sired calves from black simm angus cross cows  that looked much like this one

 

[tlcattle]

a friend of mine had a black cow who had came out of a long line of black maines and a black maine bull with a long line of black be hind him... what do they have? a calf that was red and white! had a shortie color pattern.

but my best guess is that they messed up and use herf instead of angus

 

[bluffcountrycattle]

My first thought was the hereford semen too...but he told me that a hereford angus cross will always throw a baldy.  This one seems to lack some white for that crossing on the head and neck perhaps.  The owner said he is one of the best in the pen, and is still happy with him though...

For those that have done parentage dna, do you give them the registration number on the 2 parents, and they will determine a "yes or no"??  If a "no, not the right parents" are they able to narrow down the actual sire or line?  Never done one, so was curious how the process works.