Old Shorthorn Genetics

[mainecattlemother]

In early summer of 2013 our neighbor asked if we had any shorthorn semen in our tank.  For some reason at some point we ordered Double Talent semen even though we are not Shorthorn producers so we gave to him to use on a big Sim-Angus cow. Long story short he had twin heifer calves. The other day we told him we were looking for a calf for our youngest who is not state fair eligible.  He said you need to look at my Shorthorn heifers out of the semen we gave him. The one is smaller as mother decided she only wanted one calf so they have been bottle feeding (actually grandma is bottle feeding as he doesnt have time with 1000 head of cattle) but the other really looks great and we are considering buying her.  Is there anything we should be concerned with as I know Double Talent is very old schooled but this calf is big muscled, big boned, and covers her tracks like a champ.  She does have a little leather up front but it is not terrible.  Shorthorn producers I am hoping you can help us out.  Is there anything we should be afraid of.  We are going to take another look either this evening or tomorrow morning. Do we need to be careful what we breed to? We are big into simmi and would like to breed back to simmi. I am really excited about this.  It is a cool looking project that I think my daughter could have a lot of fun with.  I just hope she doesnt develop a liking to the Shorthorns.  Moms a little prejudice and likes her Simmentals and Maines.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thats probably going to be a real stout calf-simm-shorthorn really works when they start out good. Just test for TH and PHA -and breed accordingly. Want to see an impressive bull to use 2nd calf? Check out Renegade Blue on Trausches cataloguer his sire Young Money. The resulting calf would still be Simm Solution-and could also be a Shorthorn plus-same with the hiefer you are lookiing at. 1st caf:-i-80,Bushy Park Comfort Zone,Rumor Mill or any number of i-80 sons-Because Couble Talent IS NOT CALVING EASE O0

 

[jaimiediamond]

We have had quite a few junior members take Shorthorns as the getting their feet wet first project.  The overall gentleness is outstanding and allows for a huge amount of success in developing the cattle passion. 

Double Talent himself is a THC which would be a concern for when you decide to breed this heifer. If you were to be selecting a Shorthorn (which you have stated you won't be likely to do) you should have a TH test done just to know all of your options.  Also according to EPDs the first calf mating decision should be selected for CE as Double Talent's numbers are negative.

As Cunia is the grand sire mom can comfort her self that Double Talent has some major Maine influence. 

        3700593 TH-F DS-C DNA-Y DEERPARK IMPROVER 3RD
3715737 DNA-N IRISH PRIDE
        3703246 DNA-N BGR DEERPARK KILDYST J100
Sire: *3929412 PM PHA-C TH-C DNA-Y AHL DOUBLE STUFF 306
        MA13450 DNA-Y STINGER
*AR17449 PHA-C TH-F DNA-Y AHL STNGRMYFLWR II822
        3802996 DNA-N BRENTWOOD MAYFLOWER 56TH
              MA100056 DNA-N ATAN
    **MA6963 PHA-F TH-F DNA-Y CUNIA
              MA100057 DNA-N PETUNIA
Dam: *AR23524 DNA-N IA LADY DI
        3655788 DNA-N H TOPPER H 77
    3715573 DNA-N H DUCHESS 80
        3471662 DNA-N REDWOOD DUCHESS SUZY

 

[RyanChandler]

And Stinger on the top.    Double Talent has more non shorthorn blood than shorthorn.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

They arent looking to breed Shorthorn-so the main things that I be would be looking at are:ONE: BWS-TWO: th-pha status of the hiefer. O0

 

[knabe]

As Cunia is the grand sire mom can comfort her self that Double Talent has some major Maine influence. 

Sort of want to keep the odds of adding monkey mouth and spastic paresis with no current test to screen it out.

 

[mainecattlemother]

Knabe - Thanks for the insite.  We actually bought a calf that developed spastic paresis.  I wish I had taken pics before she went just to show people how bad it can become.  I am not to concerned as long as we breed clean but I also know things can happened when you breed clean on clean as a couple years ago we tested and cow was clean and we bred to I-80, Unfortunately the calf was born about four weeks premature and he was not able to poop as he was not quite fully developed. Things can and will happen. We are taking a better look at the calf tomorrow morn and I am excited.