Our latest Red Angus project

[Red Cow Relocators]

Here is one of our latest projects. It has alot of information (maybe too much) in it, but we feel that the people who are truely interested will take the time to absorb it. Let us know what you think. RCR

 

[LN]

I don't think the text is too much, but the background is very distracting to read the text. Really great animals you have there!

 

[Mill Iron A]

I'm always interested in solid leading genetics in the red angus breed.  These bulls both look good in their pics but that tells me nothing.  I'm sure their phenotype is good but I can't tell unless I see them in person but what I'm worried about is their carcass.  There is a reason we aren't the number one breed in the U.S.  Granted I hate extreme number and carcass cattle as much as the next guy but negative? can't we at least try for something balanced in their numbers and good looking?  Bulls like this if they stay true to their current e.p.d.'s (which they could take off if they breed better than their numbers say they will) but say they stay negative that can really hurt for people who get paid on the rail.  Not trying to bash the cattle because I'm sure they will look good but in this breed we have way too many bulls being used heavily that are easily -.2 and above sometimes for either carcass trait.

 

[Show Dad]

Don't think Stu was asking if these were your type but about the layout and flow of information in the ad.

With that said I believe it will do what you intend for it to do. I think those interested will put it these animals on their lists to see in Denver.

 

[Red Cow Relocators]

I'm always interested in solid leading genetics in the red angus breed.  These bulls both look good in their pics but that tells me nothing.  I'm sure their phenotype is good but I can't tell unless I see them in person but what I'm worried about is their carcass.  There is a reason we aren't the number one breed in the U.S.  Granted I hate extreme number and carcass cattle as much as the next guy but negative? can't we at least try for something balanced in their numbers and good looking?  Bulls like this if they stay true to their current e.p.d.'s (which they could take off if they breed better than their numbers say they will) but say they stay negative that can really hurt for people who get paid on the rail.  Not trying to bash the cattle because I'm sure they will look good but in this breed we have way too many bulls being used heavily that are easily -.2 and above sometimes for either carcass trait.

Both of these bulls are Canadian sired. They just don't collect carcass data up there like we do here. Their EPD's are like all nonparent animals in the association, parental estimates. When they scan these bulls, and they will, I will post their data when it becomes available to me. I'm certainly not an expert in carcass's but if there is any corralation between big tops and ribeye size, these boys will be way above breed average. With that said I will put the shoe on the other foot, many of the top carcass bulls available are less than desireable animals when you look at them in person, not all but alot of them are. Bad feet, light bones and minimal muscle mass are not exactly traits that I am looking for for my own personal use. Just my oppinion and it's worth exactly what it cost you. RCR

 

[vcsf]

Stu look at the bright side the flyer got Mill Iron A interested enough that he went to the trouble to go and look up the carcass numbers so I would say it is doing what you want.  In my opinion the flyer looks good and is much easier to read than many.

 

[Aussie]

. I'm certainly not an expert in carcass's but if there is any corralation between big tops and ribeye size, these boys will be way above breed average. With that said I will put the shoe on the other foot, many of the top carcass bulls available are less than desireable animals when you look at them in person, not all but alot of them are. Bad feet, light bones and minimal muscle mass are not exactly traits that I am looking for for my own personal use.

(clapping) Have to agree with those coments and I do know a bit about carcase animals. What we need to remember is that carcase animals often have a sister we need to breed from.

Stu  I think the flyer is good not to "busy"

 

[Mill Iron A]

Actually I saw the mile high sale catalog before I saw the flyer, I agree with the background being a little disruptive for reading the text but as I noted the pics look good.  I am not an expert on carcass cattle, all I'm saying is we do get paid eventually for their performance.  Yes I agree these cattle could scan and do well noting that the accuracy is very low.  I didn't mean to attack these bulls I was just pointing out that if they don't do well they will add to the long list of cattle that are already in stud.  Why does nobody think that there is no way to get carcass and cows? I noticed that the one is a mulberry son and one of the better bulls in the breed IMO is TJS Berry Cherry  who is also a Mulberry son and he has like a .34 marbling score and something positive for REA.  I'm not saying let's go crazy and only breed for numbers and carcass but positive carcass numbers would be nice.  Not sure about the bulls out of TJS Berry Cherry but as long as we are talking about females he has some of the most feminie, big bodied, big boned females I've seen in the breed and very consistent.  Lot 11 from Ludvigsons sale this fall.  Again very unproven but had a .44 marb and like .3 something REA and he was very extended through his front, level hipped, square pinned, and perhaps one of the biggest boned bulls around and still somewhat calving ease.  Now wether his numbers hold up that is a different story.  All I'm trying to say is that it drives me crazy when people say "they have a sister in the pasture...."  Only because that is the basics of cattle production.  It's improtant to know not to get away from the female but would it hurt if her progeny could do well on the rail?  The mulberry son your promoting has a good chance of being positive for carcass as I have seen alot of calves out of him do well.  Sdidnt mea

 

[Mill Iron A]

Sorry didn't mean to hijack your post but yes nice poster.  Good Work.

 

[Red Cow Relocators]

Sorry didn't mean to hijack your post but yes nice poster.  Good Work.

Not a problem. I enjoy peoples oppinions and it helps me see things that I sometimes overlook. I whole heartedly agree that Tim and Julie's bull is a great bull, argueably one of the best Mulberry sons out there. I'm still just alittle skeptical on the scan data that we are basing the numbers on. Human capabilities, honesty and error can play a pretty big role in the data turned in. I once saw a bull scan a 17.72 REA at a sale that required all bulls to be scanned at the sale, two weeks later the same tech scanned the bull in his contemporary group at a 13.87 REA. Same bull, same tech, same equipment. If there is that much inconsistancy in this instance, I can only imagine how much inconsistancy there is in data turned in from multiple techs in a variety of enviroments. I would absolutely love to see actual data on "hot" carcasses on many of the bulls in use today. That is simply not a viable option at this point. At the end of the day we need to raise a product that our customers want and are willing to pay a fair market price for, otherwise it's just an expensive hobby that comes with alot of hard work. RCR