Polled Pursuit photo?

[Chap]

Does anyone have a pic of the Maine Anjou Bull Polled Pursuit.  I know he was heavily used, still shows up numerous times in current pedigrees.  What are your thoughts on him and what kind of cattle did he throw.  Particulary interested in structure and body depth.
Any issue with "leg swingers"?

 

[DL]

I have a picture and an opinion Smiley but I am on the way out so it will have to wait...he may be in the name the bull thread...

 

[yuppiecowboy]

Tall, very tube gutted, stylish in a 20 years ago sort of way, I doubt very much he would DNA to what his parentage is supposed to be. He sure does show up alot in some good cattle though.

 

[farmboy]

I thought the picture was him in a field with manure all over him?

 

[Jill]

I have a picture, just have to find it.  I think he died before they could get DNA on him  (clapping)

 

[knabe]

I have a picture, just have to find it.  I think he died before they could get DNA on him  (clapping)

you can extract DNA from a dead animal.    >:

 

[DL]

The story is something like this - although it says the bull was bred by JB Ranch (and maybe he was) I heard that Hartman saw the calf at Poplar Haven (in Canada) and bought the calf and then returned to buy the cow. He was owned by a variety of people (Hartman, Diamond M, Klinger, Jerry Adamson, Rocking J etc at various times) and his offspring (Premier, Heisman, Executive and a bunch of FJH Countess females) were heavily promoted - he was reserve show bull of the year in 96, and show bull of the year in 94 and 95.

PM'ed you chap

 

[knabe]

not a bad looking bull for back then, but he toes out an awful lot.

 

[DL]

FWIW in the US he is Polled Pursuit in Canada he is Poplar Haven Polled Pursuit with the Poplar Haven abbreviated

 

[Chap]

thanks for the photo.  What on earth were we thinking?

 

[knabe]

thanks for the photo.  What on earth were we thinking?

other than how tall he is and his front feet pointing out, what are you concerned about?  one has to remember the times.

do you feel the same way about heatwave?

 

[vcsf]

thanks for the photo.  What on earth were we thinking?

other than how tall he is and his front feet pointing out, what are you concerned about?  one has to remember the times.

do you feel the same way about heatwave?

Something else to remember when looking at some of these older photos from the the 80's and early 90's is that they were taken at angles to accent the very things we are criticizing today.

 

[Chap]

thanks for the photo.  What on earth were we thinking?

other than how tall he is and his front feet pointing out, what are you concerned about?  one has to remember the times.

do you feel the same way about heatwave?

Something else to remember when looking at some of these older photos from the the 80's and early 90's is that they were taken at angles to accent the very things we are criticizing today.

Simply a commentary on the times.  I was as guilty as the next guy in the 80s and early 90s for selecting big, lean, typey cattle.  I remember the day well, when we sold all the direct Cunia x Angus cows to make room for the yellow and white simmis and the orange chi's.  Showed steers that weighed 1600 lbs at county fair and were still not fat, creeked when they walked and did very well in the show.  after going through that, and owning my own cows for some time, i can't for the life of me figure why we allowed ourselves to get suckered in.  NO fleshing ability, NO milk, No breedback, big calves, etc.  Are we going to the other extreme?  yes in my opinion.  no growth, no milk or fertility as a result of no femininity as a result of one trait selection for MUSCLE!  Today, just like then, we need to stay to the terminal side and resist the temptation to allow todays steer type to overtake your cow herd.  Average is the mean of the extremes.  stay with feminity, body, soundness and disciplined mature size in your cow herd and breed them according to the type of cattle that are in demand.  it is much easier to change a bull than it is to revamp your cow herd

 

[farmboy]

In my earlier post I was referring to Polled Energizer

 

[Sammy]

Chap you are right on in my opinion - I am also guilty of the same stupid things that you mentioned - yep chasing another trend is the norm of cattle breeding I suppose - you have to have a cow base from somewhere and lots of the current club calf by-product females are dead end projects just like the too-tall ones were back then - there are just a few mainstay purebred herds that resist the temptation - thank goodness for that - for me I am a "recovering club calf breeder" and hopefully am more so on the path back to a productive cowherd, just about depleted chasing the dream - I have to chuckle when I think about all of the wrecks and poor breeding decisions - like a lot of clubby breeders it is a dubious distinction that I am pretty accomplished in cranking out big calves - and then having that chi based cow get up to fight you and the new born calf - total of 5 trips to the ER - what an idiot! - but it surely was hard to throw away all of that chi and hard doing Maine and Simmential semen - the addiction!

 

[knabe]

In my earlier post I was referring to Polled Energizer

one of my favorite bull pictures of any breed all time.