I have a calf that came out of a Mossy Oak cow. Bought from a local guy. First calf heifer, and he was a little small at sale time, but he weighed in at 917# on March 13. Plenty of top, wide based and thick ended, but his front end is rough. Bold shouldered, really toes out, and on a trimming schedule to try and get his joints to straighten back out a little. Another Rainmaker from the same breeder is cool, and thick as can be, but is a complete cripple. So I guess as far as muscle and look, they are pretty darn good, but I'd watch the structure.