Razor ~ The Next Great Charolais Bull

[sizzler14]

Here is a bull that has started to jump. Jump on board with Razor. He might possibly be the next great Charolais Bull. This picture is of him at 10 monthes old. His yearling weight I was told was over 1500 pounds. He is sired by Sanchez. This Bull can sired awesome purebreds or even go CLubby and put a ton of power in your calves. Watch for him at Louisville, Denver, and Kansas City this upcoming show year. Contact Evan Yost for more info and on semen. (304)-276-0991. semen $40/straw

 

[PDJ]

I hope that was a typo and you mean his yearling weight was over 1500 pounds. As a weaning weight, that might be a record! (lol)  Good looking beast.

 

[sizzler14]

I hope that was a typo and you mean his yearling weight was over 1500 pounds. As a weaning weight, that might be a record! (lol)  Good looking beast.

Lol Yea That was a typo. His yearling weight was 1584. Sorry  (lol)

 

[HF CHARS]

Whats his hip height,,1584 seems a touch big

 

[Freddy]

My usual question with big Charolais bulls, how much calving problem,I'm proably wasting my time, you CANADIANS keep in the barn so it handy to get  them
out but here in the SANDHILLS we check with horses ,a rope,fence pliers and a bag  of medicine ....Pulling calves is the reason people have shyed from the breed and made it one of the minor breeds ....Some programs have control of it but you still hear problems ....I have been using one of the new sires out that had a following of a lot of people, at my place he only needs one more miss and he won't be used ....We use mostly our own sires and if you look at some of the sucessful herds THAT have been iin it for years and sell more than 100 bulls they also stick with the bloodlines they can trust ...He is very imppressive as is his sire ,I hope that they prove very successful .....

 

[sizzler14]

My usual question with big Charolais bulls, how much calving problem,I'm proably wasting my time, you CANADIANS keep in the barn so it handy to get  them
out but here in the SANDHILLS we check with horses ,a rope,fence pliers and a bag  of medicine ....Pulling calves is the reason people have shyed from the breed and made it one of the minor breeds ....Some programs have control of it but you still hear problems ....I have been using one of the new sires out that had a following of a lot of people, at my place he only needs one more miss and he won't be used ....We use mostly our own sires and if you look at some of the sucessful herds THAT have been iin it for years and sell more than 100 bulls they also stick with the bloodlines they can trust ...He is very imppressive as is his sire ,I hope that they prove very successful .....

They may be a minor bred but notice how many smokes are out there and they arent coming from angus bulls. I understand the pulling of the calves. I take it that you have never bred to Heat Wave (one of the greates clubbies ever who prided himself with 120 pound calves that were so well received they made 15 clones out of him). He isnt being sold as a calving ease bull. He is def a bull for a second calf cow with caution and easily a third calving cow). and for the record, West Virginia is in the United States, Not canada

 

[sizzler14]

Whats his hip height,,1584 seems a touch big

not sure on the HH, but 1584 is what it was

 

[sizzler14]

My usual question with big Charolais bulls, how much calving problem,I'm proably wasting my time, you CANADIANS keep in the barn so it handy to get  them
out but here in the SANDHILLS we check with horses ,a rope,fence pliers and a bag  of medicine ....Pulling calves is the reason people have shyed from the breed and made it one of the minor breeds ....Some programs have control of it but you still hear problems ....I have been using one of the new sires out that had a following of a lot of people, at my place he only needs one more miss and he won't be used ....We use mostly our own sires and if you look at some of the sucessful herds THAT have been iin it for years and sell more than 100 bulls they also stick with the bloodlines they can trust ...He is very imppressive as is his sire ,I hope that they prove very successful .....

and his sire was born in 2001, I think if he is still siring good calves he must have proved himself

 

[Freddy]

I BRED TO HIM enough to know better than use him any more on Charolais ,birth weights are one reason not to use him but there is also another one ...His sons don't seem to have the problem he has ...Sorry about the wrong location ,but the bloodlines you are talking about
originate from there I think ....

 

[Freddy]

He sure looks pretty big for raising clubbys ,and the purebred Charolais are also backing off the great big ones in the show ring ...

 

[sizzler14]

He sure looks pretty big for raising clubbys ,and the purebred Charolais are also backing off the great big ones in the show ring ...

Thanks for your Opinion. Thats the great thing about A.I bulls. You get the choice whether or not you want to breed to them.

 

[sizzler14]

He sure looks pretty big for raising clubbys ,and the purebred Charolais are also backing off the great big ones in the show ring ...

And I raise clubbies. And this is one of the best charolais in sometime to bred to those heat wave daughters and the carrier females. A lot of the clubbies are getting to be small framed, and thats where this bull will strive. and he isnt a 7.5 or 8 frame bull

 

[Mill Iron A]

Good luck with him in the clubby world, I always like a little power but unfortunately like Freddy we have to watch the calving ease and for the western guys thats what have burned a lot of them on charolais.  Hard to tell what a bull is in pictures anymore, videos help but aren't definite but without one just looks like a big boned, more than likely really thick, big ribbed charolais bull that is too short hipped and your going to have a little shoulder with some power but I would like a different angle because it does look rather large.

 

[Mark H]

What is this bulls registration number?
Freddy something for you to consider:  Our cows never saw a barn.  We calved out in straw piles.  These "big" Charolais bulls are used on British breed cows with out any problems in Canada ( a few hundred at a time).  In fact the Charolais breed is the establishment in Canada.  The cradle of the Charolais breed in Canada is in a very sandy area.  The ground is useful for pasture and a little feed, not much else.  In dry years not even that. Check out Buffalo Lake and San Dan Charolais for breeders in this area.  How can they sell bulls for use on 1200 LB range cows?  Maybe you should ask them.
That said calving ease is important and every breeder in Canada knows this.  Right now the bulls that is generating excitement is Winn Mann's Lanza.  This bull is owned by good promoters like LT, Sparrows, and Winn Mann and combined with the fact he is easy calving with good EPDs means he is likely the next big thing.

 

[SWMO]

The one thing to consider in the use of any breed or any bull is the environment that you are putting him into.  Bigger framed Northern Cattle just don't work too well in Southern Missouri.  The tend to be too big, too hairy and don't thrive well with our heat and humidity and FESCUE.  Certain bloodlines that work well in one part of the country will not work well in another.

Freddy was pointing this out.  And the "CLUBBY" thing is a whole lot different than the real world raising of bulls and females for the commercial producer.  Different strokes for different folks.  Personally I don't want to put zippers in the sides of all my cows.

 

[Charo]

Went I see big bones on a charolais bull especially the forward knees it's a sign for me that this bull will produce a heavier calf at birth. Maybe the club peoples want that for the look but in our purebred operation what we want is stabilise the birthweigt around 90- 100 lbs. The charolais breed is relatively young in north America so it take some generations to achieve that. The vigor of the calf is also important.
We need to be a bit different of the others if we want to be a relevent breed, and the growth of Charolais is what make those animals desirable especially in the feedlots. The growth is correlate with birthweight.

 

[TPX]

My usual question with big Charolais bulls, how much calving problem,I'm proably wasting my time, you CANADIANS keep in the barn so it handy to get  them
out but here in the SANDHILLS we check with horses ,a rope,fence pliers and a bag  of medicine ....Pulling calves is the reason people have shyed from the breed and made it one of the minor breeds ....Some programs have control of it but you still hear problems ....I have been using one of the new sires out that had a following of a lot of people, at my place he only needs one more miss and he won't be used ....We use mostly our own sires and if you look at some of the sucessful herds THAT have been iin it for years and sell more than 100 bulls they also stick with the bloodlines they can trust ...He is very imppressive as is his sire ,I hope that they prove very successful .....

I think maybe you need to learn how us CANADIANS calve out cows.  Most large commercial herds in western Canada calve all there cows out on grass in the April-June months and the cows will never see a barn.  Do some research before you spout off. 

 

[vc]

I think I will add Charolais and Canadians right next to religion and politics to the list of things not to talk about at parties. Seems you can get peoples knickers in a knot pretty quick when you do.

 

[Charguy]

Decent looking bull - maybe a bit more frame then Id like to see. The Sanchez sons look pretty good overall.

Some really good Charolais bulls coming out of Canada. There was big dollar calf in Alberta and another at Sparrows in Sask.

Check out http://www.buyagro.com/cats/2012/ASparrow12/Web/index.htm (lot #7 was my favorite) but Lot #29 was the high seller.
and check out the other calf who I really like @ http://www.circlecee.com/sires.htm

Both those2  bulls sold for $30000 plus - not that means anything but they are good ones in my opinion.

 

[sizzler14]

Decent looking bull - maybe a bit more frame then Id like to see. The Sanchez sons look pretty good overall.

Some really good Charolais bulls coming out of Canada. There was big dollar calf in Alberta and another at Sparrows in Sask.

Check out http://www.buyagro.com/cats/2012/ASparrow12/Web/index.htm (lot #7 was my favorite) but Lot #29 was the high seller.
and check out the other calf who I really like @ http://www.circlecee.com/sires.htm

Both those2  bulls sold for $30000 plus - not that means anything but they are good ones in my opinion.

I was told hes a 6.5 frame