Red angus bulls for shorthorn cows

[kiblercattle]

I am looking to use red angus bulls on my shorthorns x angus influenced cows and don't know a whole lot about red angus pedigrees. My cows weigh 1350- 1450 and their calves weighed avg 697 at weaning last year. I am not really wanting to downsize my cows from their current size and I also shoot for a 60 day calving window so fertility is a must. What red angus bulls will maintain my cow size or not take a lot of size away, good feet, length, thickness, and keep them stylish. My cows are commercial but I like them to be stylish while keeping fuctionality.  Bulls I have noticed that I like are buffalo creek the right kind, 5l tradesman, fully loaded, red u2 renown, and several other 5l bulls look useful. Axtell red angus has some good looking bulls but it looks like they may downsize to much? Any opinions are appreciated.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I"m not a Red Angus expert but from those numbers you must have a pretty good herd of cattle-There is a bull on SEK called Simply red with a 68 pound BW over 1200 yearling who is one of the real curve benders in the breed-and all Red Angus.You are one of the VERY few people producing what is historically the best cross in cattle Id say AJ could help you on that end-of course I am biased (even though the purebred Shorts with that kind of performance are few and far between) The Assoc. dropped Durham Reds for no apparent reason so they arent ANY help in my opinion.Kruse ranch has a picture in the latest Shorthorn country of a 6 generation Angus x Shorthorn bull-and he looks REAL Good.  I would say AJ or Doc on here could give some good answers-both have produced good Red Angus Xs Maybe there is a good Red Angus x Shorthorn bull out there that would work too  O0

 

[sue]

Most just paper as" Plus" now Mark- the early Durham Red system was confusing and could have been a easy fix but it never happened. Several out their they just dropped papers all together.

Either way I love the cross and especially love the 5/8 x 3/8 females.  My cow base is Red Angus and I used shorthorn bulls ( mostly captain Obvious ) For a new set of genetics  I chose King of Hearts not for the yearling photo but more what the owner had to say  and the 3 yr old photo he was able to provide-really deeped heeled. I like the added style he has as well and a longer hair coat.

Bieber bulls might be a good place for you to start Kibler

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I forgot about Sues cattle-havent heard from her for quite a while-I would think she could sell a good bull that might really do the trick-I went back online and looked at those females-They are impressive and STOUT-everyone is a sow-Hey SUE-why don't you name a couple bulls he can use? There is one more person who also has some of the best F-1 Shorthorn x Angus or maines in the Country-thats Lynette Jane in Kentuckey and on here-I bet she'd have a bull calf that would work too. Even though they arent Red-they are WAY good-Between her and Sue-they would certainly be among the better examples out there I would know of. O0 O0

 

[aj]

I was just gonna ask the same question. I wondered about some of the Pieper Red Angus cattle.

 

[aj]

Sodhouse Red Stylist 220

 

[aj]

The photo above is Sodhouse stylist 220. We showed him at the Kansas State Fair and he was Grand Champion plus bull( out of I think 7 head). his registration is xDR4254632. 65 pound bwt. Genetic defect free. Picture was at state fair last year. The supreme commander was going to take him back again. He ran with 15 heifers this summer. I thought I'd draw semen on him because he might have potential to be a heifer bull for the Shorthorn breed. He is not real powerful weanin and yearling weight wise. I'm sorry the name is Sodhouse Red Stylist 220. He was a twin. Sired by a son of the Red Angus breeds "Detour" bull. Stylist is 50%Shorthorn. He is pretty deep ribbed and balanced.

 

[Mark H]

For the Bieber raised bulls on AI  I like Bieber Stakhouse and Deep End.  I also would like XC Declaration.  You do not need a heifer bull since you are breeding to cows and they have shown enough performance to expoit these three bulls.  For heifer I would use something like conqueror.
I would also think a red Charolais bull like Circle Cee Fired Up would work very well for you.

 

[aj]

I think that Brown JYJ Redemption looks interesting.

 

[Medium Rare]

I think that Brown JYJ Redemption looks interesting.

He threw mid 60lb calves here no matter what I bred him to. They need time to get going growth wise and do not handle a heavy milking cow very well for a few weeks. They are very vigorous at birth though. Considering his numbers, growth was underwhelming last year and is consistent this year as well. We are in one of the worst droughts I've ever sen this year though, so I'm sure it isn't helping. Nothing has made the replacement pen and he appears to downsize anything from a 6 up.

 

[Medium Rare]

I wouldn't be afraid to give Right Kind or Tradesman a try Kibler.

I have had good luck with Andras New Direction on shorthorn x angus and red angus females.

I've tried a couple of the big numbered Beiber bulls and didn't get along very well. Terrible udders and long toes have led all but a few of them to the cull pen. The steer calves grew exceptionally well in the pasture and in the feedlot though.

 

[aj]

Pieper Red Angus sold 137 bulls at 7,300 $ average. Are there cattle attractive? Are they epd cattle? Are the complete cattle or show ring cattle or what? Thanks in advance.

 

[Medium Rare]

Can't say I've tried the Pieper bulls. I do see some names in their bull pedigrees that I like. The Packer S008 bull left some really nice daughters here and I noticed him on the bottom side of some of their bulls.

 

[kiblercattle]

Pieper has some good looking bulls but I don't like that they seem to play the trade bulls for high dollar games. From the research I have don't I think the 5l cattle may shrink my cattle down to much.

 

[sue]

I forgot about Sues cattle-havent heard from her for quite a while-I would think she could sell a good bull that might really do the trick-I went back online and looked at those females-They are impressive and STOUT-everyone is a sow-Hey SUE-why don't you name a couple bulls he can use? There is one more person who also has some of the best F-1 Shorthorn x Angus or maines in the Country-thats Lynette Jane in Kentuckey and on here-I bet she'd have a bull calf that would work too. Even though they arent Red-they are WAY good-Between her and Sue-they would certainly be among the better examples out there I would know of. O0 O0

Mark
I have only collected one % RAx SH bull and have been using Charolais on my females. The King of Hearts (RA) x Shorthorn cross i mentioned above was a flush and those embryos will go in this fall.  So this F1 mating is the first new Red Angus influence since I started with the cow base of Red Angus in 2006.
The late great Rob Sneed always used Leachman Above and Beyond for AI and his walking bulls were Buffalo Creek sired but out of a local RA cow base.
HUB's Ranch is another that started years ago and DuLyn in Ohio. But closer to Kibler is Rick Osterday. 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I think that would be a good heifer bull and defect free-plus the way those captains looked you had-he"d work great on something clubby-although there are very few clubby Shorthorns anymore I forgot one more person-who had really good Shorthorns more on the clubby side (like Wildside)-Larry Cornell-who basically quit and started raising Red Angus-I cant say as I blame him-he never got his due JMO-But has produced some pretty competitive Reds O0

 

[aj]

I always wondered how many 4-h kids Shorthorn programs got wrecked because of c-sections and dead calves. Seems like if they can just calve out the first time without a wreck........would do the breed good.