Red Steer

[Shallene]

What is the best club calf bull to use on club calf charolais cross cows and black Maine Angus cross cows to produce red steers  if there is such a sire?

 

[sue]

This is a good question!

 

[rrblack78]

Very good question!!! We have a red steer sired by Solid Gold but I don't know what's on the dam side. We have a red BIM heifer but her dam is red.

 

[BroncoFan]

www.bovine-elite.com/clubc.asp a place to start. The list of red bulls is at the bottom.

 

[Shallene]

I'm familiar with the bovine elite red bulls and in fact like some of them and used a few of them in the past.  Just wondering if and of them are considered homozogous red or if there is such a thing and if so does anyone on here know of one and have some experience in breeding with one.  With the new red classification in Texas I would like to try and breed some reds for my kids. 

 

[nkotb]

All reds are homozygous red, since it is the recessive gene they have to have two copies of the red gene for it to show.  I'm no genetics expert, but I'm pretty sure your black cows have to be Hetero for black and pass on the recessive red gene to get a red calf.  I know even less about the char's, but think of it as more of a wildcard.  They could be carrying red or black genes, masked by the smoke gene.  I would think the chars would give you a better shot of reds, but know you can test the blacks to see if they are hetero or homo black.

 

[sue]

Are your charolais influenced cows pink nosed?

 

[rrblack78]

On the char cross cows I think MAB might give you as good a shot at red as anything, on black cows not so sure. This is a pic of a MAB x char heifer. It's not the red you are looking for but it's a good idea of what this cross makes.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I think you need something with ALOT of RED genetics- SUE-has a thread about Sneeds semen-BUT you might go on her site and look at the reds shes produced:especially a couple of the REALLY GOOD RED ANGUS CROSSES-and Sullivan bought a bull recently in the Michigan sale I think-Speaking  of which-there are several RED REWARD etc bulls available now to everyone-and that solid red from the Maine side should do alot-plus they will be thick-and breed well with those kind of cows O0

 

[sue]

Calves this year are red by Bohannon, one buckskin.  I think the roan influences in the cow base cause the buckskins?  Yellowstone bull calf is dark dark red ( linebred red mama)
I dont know ? Troubadour son ( buckskin colored) I sold a few years ago throws more black on black mamas, he is 5 years old now. 

I would like solid red in the three way crosses . So this is a good post.

 

[GoWyo]

To have a chance for a red calf from black cows or grey smoke cows, the cow has to be a red gene carrier (could be black with a red gene as black is dominant or could be a grey smoke if it is a red carrier or could be a red, which has two red genes or it could be a red or yellow smoke, which has two red genes).  If you use a red bull and your cow is red, you will get a red calf.  If you use a red bull and your cow is heterozygous black, then you have a 50/50 chance of a red calf.  If you use a red bull and your cow is homozygous black, then the calf will be heterozygous black.  The smokes are from the diluter gene and that adds another twist that, as far as I know only dilutes the base color.

 

[sue]

Chi has a diluter gene as well? 

 

[GoWyo]

Chianina are a different deal as far as I can tell.  You could chew on this cattle color paper for a week or two trying to figure it out.

http://piedmontese.org/Coat%20Color%20Cattle.pdf

 

[Shallene]

So my best cow is an all black either Angus here ford cross or simangus.  The last four years I have bred her to alias, gold buckle (twice) and this year pump daddy.  Each one of these calves have been all white with dark pigment skin.  3 of the four where heifers which I have retained.  So if I breed that black cow to a red would the odds be high that I get a red and what about her white offspring? If I breed them red would I get a red?  Furthermore I will note that when I have bred that cow black in the past she has had black calves.  Any red bulls out there any one of you would recomend?  I have used MAB and do not like my results with him.

 

[BroncoFan]

Can you post a picture of your cow? Your cow could be homozygous black with the diluter gene. Hence the smokey colored calves.

 

[rrblack78]

We had a very nice steer a couple of years ago out of Horn's bull Born Free. He's a red bull sired by Solid Gold. On the char cross cows red might be possible but with the diluter it could be lighter than you want. Our steer was black on a purebred angus cow so black is highly probable on a black cow. The steer was one of the best we have had in the last five years. He had a touch too much shoulder but he was clubby, powerful, had bone to spare and stayed sound to finishing. He also had Ft worth quality hair in southeast Texas without ever seeing more than a fan.