SAC Conversation

[SEA]

SAC CONVERSATION is a 2010 model bull and I am thinking that there should be a large number of progeny available.
I heard that he is producing some very nice cattle.  He even has some sexed female semen available from Select Sires for $50/unit.
My semen rep. told me that he is NOT a calving ease bull for use on heifers, and yet I have seen cattlemen using him on heifers?
I am looking for an Angus bull to use on crossbred and Clubby Cows to produce replacement females for possible club calf production that do NOT lose all the muscle, bone, phenotype, hip shape, front end, add guts, depth of heart girth, rib and improve udder and teat shape. (I realize that one bull can not do all these things, but theses are traits that I am looking for).

Anyone have experience "calving out" SAC Conversation calves out of crossbred or Clubby heifers?  Is he calving ease...size, weight, shape? 
I realize he has a CED +2 and BW +1.5.

Also, who has replacement cows in production, out of crossbred or Clubby Cows? 
How are his traits for...
1.)  Bone?
2.)  Milk?
3.)  Udder and Teat Shape?
4.)  Phenotype/Shape?
5.)  Structure?
6.)  Muscle?

 

[CRS]

We have our Who Da Man x Kadabra donor bred to him with sexed since she likes to twin.  She is due in May, so I will know more then.  I have been seeing a lot of his calves in the online sales and the calves have looked really good to me and seem to bring decent money on the online sales.  The attached picture was from an online sale, I think most are going in the 5-7K dollar range and the calves have appeared sound.  We used him because he is supposed to be powerful, sound and transmits a good look to his calves with a lower birthweight and good performance.  We are excited about the mating and the calves will be 14.5% Chi.  His CED scores have gone way down over the last year, so I am guessing he got used on a lot of heifers and had some trouble. 

 

[SEA]

Thanks CRS!

 

[CRS]

Try BMW Onset, you won’t be disappointed. I’ve seen two heifers and a bull and wow they’re nice. He breeds just like his daddy, but probably more consistent with the Ace in his pedigree. Sexed on him is crazy at $500. We’re expecting two this spring. His % is high enough to show his offspring. But having semen rep drop some sexed Conversation tomorrow too.

 

[WinterSpringsFarm]

Try BMW Onset, you won’t be disappointed. I’ve seen two heifers and a bull and wow they’re nice. He breeds just like his daddy, but probably more consistent with the Ace in his pedigree. Sexed on him is crazy at $500. We’re expecting two this spring. His % is high enough to show his offspring. But having semen rep drop some sexed Conversation tomorrow too.

We just flushed an Insight to Onset. We are hoping for good things out if those embryos.

 

[lightnin4]

I have been using Conversation.  Before they changed the Angus EPDs, his CE was plenty high to comfortably breed to heifers.  I'm still breeding heifers to him.  I don't think I've had a calf bigger than 80 lbs sired by him (including one 55 lb. and two 60 lb. calves).

 

[CRS]

Here are some sale pictures from recent or upcoming sales. 

 

[SEA]

I purchased some sexed female, SAC Conversation semen this weekend from Top Sires, Mike Weidner, at the Michigan Beef  Expo.  Thanks Jim!

Planning on A.I.'ing three "proven" crossbred cows with some clubby genetics, with the purpose of producing replacement females.  I.E. one Hannibal (Donor), one Direct Hit, one WMW.  These three cows normally "do not miss".  This is a little "experiment" that I have been wanting to try...Love these three cows.  Just want to propagate their genetics with out loosing their muscle, bone, phenotype & shape, lower rear quarter and width of top, all three good on structure but not perfect.  Want to add a little depth of body, a little performance, a little bigger foot, and a little milk and improvement of udder and teat design.  With the primary trait being increase depth and rib, or and/or mass.

Time will tell...

Thanks!  SEA

 

[CRS]

We had our Conversation heifer yesterday.  75 lbs and 5 days overdue.  She seems to have a lot of frame at this point, but some of the cows other calves have too and moderated as they got older.  Nice structure, flat made and should thicken as she ages.  I was a bit surprised that she wasn't thicker at birth, but I guess that's why they come out so easy.

 

[CRS]

Almost 3 months old now.  She is coming along nicely, starting to muscle up pretty well too, has a nice top and large square hip.  Bred dam back same way for next year.

 

[WinterSpringsFarm]

Really like that calf CRS!

 

[CRS]

Thank you!!, Going to hold on to her at least until next year and may sell her as a bred.  Her dam is a later maturing cow and her calves always look the best as yearlings.  Was wondering how you Onset flush went.  We sold our older Onset calf privately and she is at her new home now, she is incredible.

 

[WinterSpringsFarm]

She flushed 7 good ones. I believe my partner put 5 in. We also flushed her to 20-20 and got like 12 or so. I got a few of those in as well.

I'm anxious to get them on the ground!

 

[CRS]

I was really surprised at their dispositions, very quiet.  He is going to be more consistent than Who da Man, I believe, but will probably breed the same. Can't go wrong with anything out of that Ace cow.  Be interesting to see what he does on your Angus cow, both of the ones I bred him to were clubby bred and patterned.

 

[CMANGUS]

this is our conversation bull out of an Express cow....disposition has been amazing since day one.

 

[WinterSpringsFarm]

I was really surprised at their dispositions, very quiet.  He is going to be more consistent than Who da Man, I believe, but will probably breed the same. Can't go wrong with anything out of that Ace cow.  Be interesting to see what he does on your Angus cow, both of the ones I bred him to were clubby bred and patterned.

Will see this coming spring how it went. This cow is pretty maternal IMO, was hoping to add a shot of style to her.

 

[CRS]

Sorry, we kind of hijacked the original post.  CMANGUS, what was his birthweight and composition at birth.  The one we had was kind of light boned and leggy, she's changing and really starting to flesh out nicely, but all of the dam's other calves have kind of been that way too.  We chose Conversation over a couple of other bulls because of the Disposition EPD, but seems that it kind of follows her dam, a little nutty, we have a cow out of her too that is the same way out of Maternal Perfection, so I would not attribute that to him.  I like your bull, not sure how old he is in the photo, but looks to have some performance to him.

 

[CMANGUS]

Sorry, we kind of hijacked the original post.  CMANGUS, what was his birthweight and composition at birth.  The one we had was kind of light boned and leggy, she's changing and really starting to flesh out nicely, but all of the dam's other calves have kind of been that way too.  We chose Conversation over a couple of other bulls because of the Disposition EPD, but seems that it kind of follows her dam, a little nutty, we have a cow out of her too that is the same way out of Maternal Perfection, so I would not attribute that to him.  I like your bull, not sure how old he is in the photo, but looks to have some performance to him.

He is a 2/2/2017 model.  his disposition has been really good from day 1.  we have a blue chip that is a 1/2 brother to him.. the blue chip weaned off the mom at just over 900lbs... no creep in the pasture.  He was 76lbs actual at birth.  weaned in september at 850lbs...  his mom just does it time and time again.  we have only one daughter out of his mom and she is in my heard and she has raised nothing but heifers and we have kept every heifer out of his sister...I attached a October pic of him and a March pic of him so you can see the development.  also attached a pic from december of 2017 of the granddaughter to his mom...

 

[CRS]

They look really good. He has come along nicely. I’ll be using him some more. I have our Thriller donor bred to him and I have a Fu that’ll get bred to him in March for a Chi-Angus heifer.

 

[CRS]

Decided she was going to stay.  We like the way she is developing, she's a little later maturing, but has a lot of frame and dimension. Excuse all the mud, if has rained here almost every 3 days, so we could barely get hay made this year.