Saskvalley stampede

[kiblercattle]

Has anyone seen him, calves, or wet daughters by him? Any pictures? He looks like a really good bull. Haven't contacted bowman genetics but was wondering if anyone knows of semen being avaiable on him?

 

[irishshorthorns]

His pedigree would be very maternally orientated so I would think his daughters should be very good. I'd put him on stronger made cows to avoid a higher cull rate with bull calves from him. He's a very impressive bull, and I like him a lot. Of Bowman's two Canadian bulls I personally prefer the Alta Cedar Lad 13N bull. I saw him in the pasture at Alta Cedar and I loved him. Structually as sound as you as you could ever find. Lovely and smooth yet expressive in his muscling. Talk about docile - he was like a Labrador. I said I'd like to get a pic of him and no sooner were the words out of my mouth but he stood up and posed for me. His progeny are super producers too - both his sons and daughters. Visit the Alta Cedar website to see some featured there.

 

[Okotoks]

Saskvalley Stampede 128S is a paternal brother to Bonanza and Primo 40P. We should have some ET calves coming next year by their sire Saskvalley Ultra 12J.

Here is a photo of 128S

 

[caledon101]

Okotoks....excellent looking sire!
I have a lot of respect for the Saskvalley breeding program and the strict discipline applied to management and culling. I have always been intrigued by it.
I called them a number of years ago to ask if they were selling any top end females. They told me that they didn't sell them; only bulls....at least at that time. Not sure if that policy has ever changed.
Any Shorthorn breeder....East, West, North or South looking for a new high quality herdsire would be investing their time well to take a close look here.

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

Also like him.
I'm looking for forward my herd on Argentinian and Canadian (Alta Cedar/Saskvalley) bulls. With a blend of 100% UK sires and old brazilian lines as well.
Canada have a good Shorthorn for my criteria.

 

[Luke Bowman]

Hey all-

Stampede is still here and running strong.  Currently, he is following up 40 pairs where a majority of the cows were AI'd to him this spring.  He will be coming off of cows in the coming days and possibly headed to quarantine for international semen to be collected.  We don't want to be in the semen business, but we are open to selling packages. Dad has had a resurgence in interest as people have been by the farm and seen 2yo daughters.  Bernard Leahy of Ontario was here earlier this week and told us that he was more impressive in the flesh than the picture we use in the ads.  I would describe his daughters being very angular and especially neat and having lots of slope to their shoulder.  It has been my experience that few Shorthorns beside the Trump influenced cattle can do that so consistently.  As was stated earlier, I think this bull is a nice compliment to the Lad 13N females that we have in production.  Also think that he will improve the shoulder and hock angle to Jazz influenced cattle.

If I were to be critical on how to use him, people have said that they have plenty of set to the hock.  Certainly not an issue on the farm; the cattle have good heel depth.  As one collegiate Livestock judging coach said said, "It's not a function issue, its a cosmetics issue for the livestock judger's trained eye." 

A personal favorite of mine that doesn't get mentioned enough in Shorthorn circles, or even enough circles on this forum is his MARB.  His daughters this spring collectively ratioed 106 IMF on ultrasound scan against some strong contemporaries.  His sons killed at the Great State Feedout backed this up has being some of the high profit killed cattle and he now ranks in the Top 1% of all active Shorthorn sires for MARB--- in fact he is #14 in the breed, and not all of the top 15 are even walking or available today.  Just a fun fact.  Plus his actual, visual muscle expression is pretty incredible; you wouldn't find many high MARB sires of other breeds to have that kind of muscle expression.

Past that, thanks for the interest.  I am sure that my father, Phil, would be glad to talk and show cattle any time.

(here is a pic I took of my phone for my dad from my phone not too long ago)

-Luke

 

[sue]

  http://www.tcscf.com/2012_Sire_Profit_Summary_-_Sire_Rankings__Final_Ver_.pdf


Jake above is the Tricounty feed trial that includes both Lad and stampede  other shorthorn sire groups and breeds. Homedale bred bull recieved a gold and I believe this group was out of angus based females. Really if you take a minute and study across bred information it's impressive across the board for shorthorn. The web page can give more details as to calves on feed. Stampede calves did outstanding but an additional vet expense possibly kept them from a higher rank?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

THINK THERE WERE ANY ANGUS at that test? Per capita-the Simmitals pretty well ruled-and the Charolais seemed to do pretty well tooJMO O0

 

[sue]

THINK THERE WERE ANY ANGUS at that test? Per capita-the Simmitals pretty well ruled-and the Charolais seemed to do pretty well tooJMO O0

http://www.tcscf.com/2012_Sire_Profit_Summary_-_Sire_Progeny_Averages__Final_Ver_.pdf

Mark
Here is another version with details of each breeder and sire groups

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Well-I couldnt get my da%^^m computer to zoom-and IM really far sighted-so if I missed the point -CHIME IN-Im not going by strictly by numbers:but by the number tested and the $ amounts they turned in:thus "per capita comments"-There are so many Angus that its a moot point-although they dont rate as high across the board as some of the breeds with way less numbers-they consistently rate above $510 in ALOT of cases. The Simms have the highest one-@$618.33-out of GW Lucky Back or something-and considering thier numbers-had 5 others 518-524-percapita-pretty strong-MY MISTAKE-THE HEREFORDS KICKED EVERYBODY'S ASS-High of 607-and 10 individuals above 500-all but one brtween 532,and 572. The Shorthorns were bred well (show wise-$ wise)-but only 2 went over530-with a high of 563+- out of a Homedale bull (who isn"t high $ or a show deal)-SORRY-IM NOT IMPRESSED-particularly with the BWS of the bulls represented that fell flat.If thier calves dont perform after that-we are LOST. It didnt used to be that way-and the bulls in the MARC test were the popular show sires of the time. O0

 

[Boreal]

  http://www.tcscf.com/2012_Sire_Profit_Summary_-_Sire_Rankings__Final_Ver_.pdf


Jake above is the Tricounty feed trial that includes both Lad and stampede  other shorthorn sire groups and breeds. Homedale bred bull recieved a gold and I believe this group was out of angus based females. Really if you take a minute and study across bred information it's impressive across the board for shorthorn. The web page can give more details as to calves on feed. Stampede calves did outstanding but an additional vet expense possibly kept them from a higher rank?

Was researching Alta Cedar Lad 13N on SP and came upon this ol’ thread. Can someone riddle me why Lad’s carcass and $F EPDs are some of the worst in the breed, when he was one of the top Shorthorn sires in this real world feedout? I’ll admit, his sample size was small - but I’ll take the data from 5 real world steers over that from 25 imaginary ones any day. Is 50K really that useless, that it predicts the opposite of what is observed in the real world? Or is it just useless in the Shorthorn breed because of low accuracy? God help those breeders/buyers putting faith in the 50K.

 

[shortybreeder]

  http://www.tcscf.com/2012_Sire_Profit_Summary_-_Sire_Rankings__Final_Ver_.pdf


Jake above is the Tricounty feed trial that includes both Lad and stampede  other shorthorn sire groups and breeds. Homedale bred bull recieved a gold and I believe this group was out of angus based females. Really if you take a minute and study across bred information it's impressive across the board for shorthorn. The web page can give more details as to calves on feed. Stampede calves did outstanding but an additional vet expense possibly kept them from a higher rank?

Was researching Alta Cedar Lad 13N on SP and came upon this ol’ thread. Can someone riddle me why Lad’s carcass and $F EPDs are some of the worst in the breed, when he was one of the top Shorthorn sires in this real world feedout? I’ll admit, his sample size was small - but I’ll take the data from 5 real world steers over that from 25 imaginary ones any day. Is 50K really that useless, that it predicts the opposite of what is observed in the real world? Or is it just useless in the Shorthorn breed because of low accuracy? God help those breeders/buyers putting faith in the 50K.

Looking in Digitalbeef, the 14 progeny with data submitted  averaged a 95 ratio in both REA and IMF. That would tank the $F index pretty quick.

 

[Boreal]

  http://www.tcscf.com/2012_Sire_Profit_Summary_-_Sire_Rankings__Final_Ver_.pdf


Jake above is the Tricounty feed trial that includes both Lad and stampede  other shorthorn sire groups and breeds. Homedale bred bull recieved a gold and I believe this group was out of angus based females. Really if you take a minute and study across bred information it's impressive across the board for shorthorn. The web page can give more details as to calves on feed. Stampede calves did outstanding but an additional vet expense possibly kept them from a higher rank?

Was researching Alta Cedar Lad 13N on SP and came upon this ol’ thread. Can someone riddle me why Lad’s carcass and $F EPDs are some of the worst in the breed, when he was one of the top Shorthorn sires in this real world feedout? I’ll admit, his sample size was small - but I’ll take the data from 5 real world steers over that from 25 imaginary ones any day. Is 50K really that useless, that it predicts the opposite of what is observed in the real world? Or is it just useless in the Shorthorn breed because of low accuracy? God help those breeders/buyers putting faith in the 50K.

Looking in Digitalbeef, the 14 progeny with data submitted  averaged a 95 ratio in both REA and IMF. That would tank the $F index pretty quick.

For sure. But if you look at the actual feed out data including the $ return per animal and percent of carcasses 2/3 choice or better, he beats most of the competition. I realize epds are one tool of many, but how useful are they if they’re that wrong? By his epds, you should never use the bull - yet you’d be costing yourself dollars leaving him in the tank.

 

[RyanChandler]

Simply explanation as far as what happens to any bull ladyboy Luke is involved with.  Older bulls become reference sires whose offspring get placed at the bottom of future contemporary groups therefore artificially elevating EPds on the new latest and greatest bull..  While shady,  this approach ensures ever improving in herd EPD‘s. 

 

[Boreal]

Makes sense as a marketing ploy. It’s the frame race all over again - just chasing numbers instead of size this time around.

 

[unclebobo]

Simply explanation as far as what happens to any bull ladyboy Luke is involved with.  Older bulls become reference sires whose offspring get placed at the bottom of future contemporary groups therefore artificially elevating EPds on the new latest and greatest bull.. "  While shady,  this approach ensures ever improving in herd EPD‘s. "  That certainely seems the case with the growth patterns on some well known performance cattle that are very well fed-Havent seen many yearling bulls over 1100 pounds at alot of these places and they have been on heavy feed since they could get in a creep feeder  O0

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

No creep feeders here. I manage the cattle here and it’s a strictly organic, grass fed operation. I can’t speak to Stampede but I can say for a fact the saskvalley cattle work great in a cross breeding scenario here. On all kinds of crossbred cows. 

 

[jaimiediamond]

In my experience ultrasounds through the cup lab are accurate to the carcasses I get through my custom beef program.  As with any data collection (epds) if one doesn’t do all in the contemporary group it skews the results (thus less accurate numbers). 

 

[knabe]

i wish one could look at distribution of data better.


to make a contemporary group, one only needs two animals.


pick a few cows that are terrible, breed to a numbers bull, and compare only the lousy result animal at a minimum.


can manipulate further.


really, the data as presented misrepresents and makes it harder to see what one might be interested in.


however, with a two years calves and maybe 15 calves with data each year, the cheating with the 2 animal contemporary group doesn't matter.


data as presented, makes it extremely hard to find breeders/animals that have value from small breeders.

 

[Boreal]

In my experience ultrasounds through the cup lab are accurate to the carcasses I get through my custom beef program.  As with any data collection (epds) if one doesn’t do all in the contemporary group it skews the results (thus less accurate numbers).

Well, my main issue is with the SNP 50K we’re all supposed to be shelling out cash for because it’s like having 25 live calves. Ultrasound is ultrasound and is certainly a more realistic representation of actual carcass data under certain management. The claims of the 50K are a load of BS if I’ve ever heard it. The research trial that would need to be done - on Shorthorns - to validate the claims of the 50K has definitely never been done. EPDs are a whole other kettle of fish, although I very much doubt there are more than a handful of sires in the entire Shorthorn breed with the numbers of progeny to accurately support their EPDs. And even then there are relevant questions likely to be unanswered. They may have some use for in herd comparison of sires over a span of decades, but due to the potentially thousands of known and unknown environmental confounders unaccounted for, they should otherwise be relegated to the dustbin where they belong.