SHADYBROOK GOLIATH 68TH

[librarian]

Back to Leader 9th..
Is there semen on this bull?
LEON
Reg: X4192773
Sire: Kinnaber Leader 9th
Dam: Muridale Estill 8K
http://studershorthorns.com/our-herd/leon/
and is this Leader 9th?
Thank you
And the last is Leader 4th, just because he is similar to Leon, maybe longer hip to pins?

 

[Okotoks]

That is Kinnaber Leader 9th, full brother to the 6th.
Here is an SP thread with more info about them.

http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/some-herd-sires-from-the-past/

 

[librarian]

Thanks a lot.
r.n., at long last the light goes on!

 

[librarian]

oakview, now you have me, and probably Trevor too, guessing about your experiment?
Was the bull who shall remain nameless born on 3 July, 1976?

 

[oakview]

"Leon" and my Leader 9th son are ET full brothers.  I bought the roan one, Dale Studer bought the red one.  Dale had a pretty good heifer calf in his sale out of Leon and I have been pleased with the limited number of calves I've had out of my bull.  There is a full sister to these bulls pictured on Muridale's website.  I haven't collected mine yet, but plan to this spring.  I don't know if Dale has collected his bull or note.  I will see Dale at the Beef Expo in a day or two and I'll ask.  I'll get back to you on my experiment.  You have the correct year.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I don't think I could pick just one, but I can tell you some I am considering.  Of course, when picking my favorite one, I have to omit bulls that I have owned (Big Jake and Lazy D Ultimate Type were the two best breeding bulls I've had in 50 years).

Deerpark Leader 18th is a bull that I absolutely love for productive cows.  Every one I have been associated with was moderate, good uddered, and fertile.  I think JIT would say much the same about his 18th son, Irish Mist.  My Leader 18th calves have come easily, too.  I'm using a Leader 9th son on heifers and have had good luck, so far.  More to come this year.  I am planning a mating of his daughters to Leader 18th for the next generation calving ease bull.  I've always admired the Trump X Nobody's Fool line crossed with Leader 18th.  If I had unlimited funds and time, I'd flush all my Nobody's Fool bred females to Leader 18th.  The Leader 9th son's calves just don't have enough performance, but he works for heifers and that is his purpose.  I know there are supposed to be some other bulls out there for calving ease that would perhaps have more performance, but I've had experience with this one and trust him. 

As far as the main herd, I've got a mating in mind involving some fairly retro genetics, not quite back to the 60's and early 70's, but a popular bull that was extremely correct, heavy muscled, and moderate.  He was considered by many to be too moderate in his time.  I'm not ready to say what it is.  I'll start my experiment this year and see what happens.

Interesting. As far as calving ease sires that have more growth, Id say the whole breed in general is lacking on that part. I was one in 1976 so I have no clue on what bull it is but I'll stay tuned.

 

[coyote]

oakview, this is the flush sister to your bull and Studers By Leader 9th. She has produced well for us.

 

[librarian]

Coyote, why did you use Leader 9th on cows that went to Dividend's Impact?
It looks like you did it more than once.
I was interested in Leon and his brother to use on a set of cows I have that go to Sudden Impact. Then I was going to use CCL6th and 4508 and Blizzard. The goal is a more moderate thick dual purpose cow.
Does Impact get at that?

 

[oakview]

AF Dividend's Impact was one of my all time favorite Leader 13th sons.  He was shown extensively in the early 80's.  I remember him as being very correct, moderate for the day, and he had a lot of eye appeal.  He was an Irish X Dual combination.  I had a Clark son, Admiral Halsey, out of a Foxdale Favoite Robin cow that I showed as a senior yearling the same year Alden's showed Impact as an early spring yearling.  Admiral Halsey was reserve senior champion at Illinois and reserve grand at Iowa.  Herman Purdy judged the Iowa State Fair and we won the pair of bulls class with Admiral Halsey and his 3/4 brother, Monaco Prince.  The good old days!  Honey Dew Big Red by Leggs was the grand at both shows.  I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I think Dividend's Impact was reserve grand at Illinois.  Schrags used him for many years, so you know he was pretty good.  Sudden Impact was from the Margie family, a family of very noted producers and Alden's best, in my opinion.

Anybody ever consider using Columbus any more?  He was pretty moderate, very stylish, and might be useful from a calving ease and milk production standpoint.  He might not be one you'd tie your whole herd to, but would he be worth a try?  For those focusing on the native angle, he could be a little more correct and eye appealing than some of the base cattle being used.  It's fun to have so many options.  I've talked to a few Milking Shorthorn breeders that think he might be a good option to get a little substance back in their cattle.  JIT talked on this site about a Columbus son he used many years a go with some success.

 

[Okotoks]

Coyote, why did you use Leader 9th on cows that went to Dividend's Impact?
It looks like you did it more than once.
I was interested in Leon and his brother to use on a set of cows I have that go to Sudden Impact. Then I was going to use CCL6th and 4508 and Blizzard. The goal is a more moderate thick dual purpose cow.
Does Impact get at that?

Muridale had a roan full brother to AF Dividend's Impact, AF Dividend's Impact 2, as a walking herdsire. I'm not sure how many cows in the present herd would go back to him.

 

[coyote]

Coyote, why did you use Leader 9th on cows that went to Dividend's Impact?

The cows we decided on breeding Leader 9th to were bigger in type, we didn't want to breed him to too small of a cow. It was just coincidence that they went back to Dividends Impact 2nd.

 

[justintime]

Anybody ever consider using Columbus any more?  He was pretty moderate, very stylish, and might be useful from a calving ease and milk production standpoint.  He might not be one you'd tie your whole herd to, but would he be worth a try?  For those focusing on the native angle, he could be a little more correct and eye appealing than some of the base cattle being used.  It's fun to have so many options.  I've talked to a few Milking Shorthorn breeders that think he might be a good option to get a little substance back in their cattle.  JIT talked on this site about a Columbus son he used many years a go with some success.
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If I knew where I could find a few straws of Columbus in Canada, I would consider using him in a flush, I bought a Columbus son at the Regina Bull Sale many years ago from Lawrence Schneider's Ellsway herd, Wolseley, SK and he was a powerful bull. I have many many times wished I had collected semen on him . He was a coming 3 year old when I bought him as he was used at Schneider's for a couple years before he sold him in Regina. As a 3 year old he weighed 2210 lbs after being used for 2 years in their herd. Like his sire Columbus, he was as smooth made and any bull possibly could be. His dam was a daughter of Butte Lee Leader 54th ( by Leader 21st). She was a thick deep sided cow that would be pretty popular if she was alive today.
This bull was named Ellsway Chieftain 1H and he was solid red with small white marks on his back feet. He was one of the soundest made bulls we used in that era. He injured himself when he was a 6 year old and we sold him. He was over 2400 lbs when sold. His daughters had super udders and his sons had large testicles and were very complete. I would use him today in a heartbeat if I had semen on him.

At the time, we had a large herd of about 350 cows and we were using Ready Go x (Champion at the 1982 Polled Congress sale in Louisville), Highfield Irish Mist ( imported from Ireland), Sandy Creek Ivor ( full Irish bull bought in Denver sale), Waukaru Cinnabar ( Reserve World Champion Bull at Calgary), IDS Duke of Dublin ( imported from Ireland),  Ellsway Cheiftain 1H and a homebred Ready Go son named HC Changing Times 85K. Two of the worst mistakes I ever made was not collecting semen from Cinnabar and Cheiftain. We had semen from all the other bulls but the two I did not collect would be very useful today.

 

[Okotoks]

Less than 30 days left before the spring crop of Zulu's start!  My fall calves continue to look very good.  Long bodied, muscle expression down their tops with excellent rear quarters, good fronts, the eye appeal I like, too.  Looking forward to spring.  How are your spring '14 calves coming along?

The Zulu heifers are doing well. We pelvic measured the yearling heifers last week and the Zulu heifers passed with flying colours even though they were 9 to 10 months they measured big enough for breeding. I will try to get some photos in the next couple of weeks.
Here is a link to a bull sale catalag for an Angus Sale that also includes 3 two year old shorthorn bulls by Zulu's full brother, Diamond Sergeant York. They are the last lots in the sale. Two of these bulls are 15/16th brothers and all three are 7/8. We are pretty proud to have these full brothers working in such good herds.

http://www.langcocattle.com/Lanco_Kueber_Catalogue_2015.pdf

The bull sale season seems to be off to a good start in both the US and Canada. (thumbsup)
Quote from auctioneer Don Oberg
"Congratulations to the Lang/Kueber families on a tremendous angus bull/ hfr sale today bulls ave 5400+ with 2 yr olds ave $6478.00 and open ang/shorthorn hfrs ave just shy of $2800..3 shorthorn 2's ave $6700 Thanks for having me as your auctioneer. ..proud to be part of your team !"