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dragon lady said:
I don't know anything about this link or the association & I have no interest in knowing, but since the subject was raised...
www.miniatureshorthorn.org
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I don't know anything about this link or the association & I have no interest in knowing, but since the subject was raised...
www.miniatureshorthorn.org
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tj,thanks my heifer my have a future after all!rusty
KL Double Duty 6294 is truly a calving ease bull that is not a lowline. I'm not sure of his frame score, but best guess is a 5. His growth is adequate and he will leave you functional females. We have never assisted a Double Duty calf, although one heifer lost her calf at birth in 03. We still use him and have used 2 of his sons. His -5.5 BW EPD is for real.
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the angus111 said:
The person who owns that site mentioned that they were looking to buy "small" shothorns when they posted that link on another message board. So, if you want to sell your heifer, they might be interested.
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tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty
The A3 - shall we begin to call you Shortie 3 (or would that be The Shortie 3)??
Actually I was quite amazed that Shorthorn Country actually published the ad looking for minature Shorthorns - perhaps they have no pride. I think you can do just ducky with your heifer - have you thought about a Red Angus sire - get on the Durham Red probram -
Actually I was quite amazed that Shorthorn Country actually published the ad looking for minature Shorthorns - perhaps they have no pride. I think you can do just ducky with your heifer - have you thought about a Red Angus sire - get on the Durham Red probram -
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SRU, We are using a full brother to TM Gus' dam on all of our cows this year. He is red and polled and all his calves so far are unassisted. To be honest we were concerned when the calves started coming this year because they were so small but with alittle time we got sold on him and didn't ai a single cow this year we just turned him out. The Kendra cow was a true diamond in the rough and just more proof that you shouldn't peg hole cattle as show or commercial. Kendra has worked for everyone who has used her genetics so I would use TM Gus with great confidence.
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oh DL , I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO DROP THE ,IF I CHOOSE TO OR THEY CHOOSE TO IMPEACH ME.BY THE WAY THE LITTLE HEIFER HAS PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH MY SENSITIVE ,HUMANE SIDE.SHE IS THE SWEETEST HEIFER I HAVE,WOULD MAKE A GOOD STARTER PROJECT. RUSTY
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This is my opinon. What i have found is that when I have used older bloodlines on my Double Visions it really seems to balance nicely. The calf pictured in my profile is out of a Sonny x Cherry vision sire and the dam is Byland Cindy Beauty x wakaru. It really has seem to click well. Moderate framed cattle that gain well and finish in that 52" hip height. My females have great rip and depth of body.
I am anxious to try some (JIT probably knows more) Alta Cedar First Blood. I used Gizmo and he really didn't down size any of my calves. They were small at birth and they have been growing like weeds. I am very pleased with my heifer calf out of Gizmo. I would recommend Gizmo ( Elbee probably knows more on that side). There is a new bull coming out of Jungles that I am waiting to see calves on. He is a Levadale Javelin and was successfully bred to heifers.
I think you should look for an outcross for her and stay away from the stuff sires completely. I have one of just about every thing in the pasture, Double Vision, Bad Moon Rising, Quartermaster, Rodeo Drive, Ar Su Lu's and I mix them. I breathed a sigh of relief when i found out they are free to this point.
Nice looking heifer by the way and like the donor as well. I too think that for the first go around shoot for live. There are enough red angus folks on here to tell you who might help on the durham red side as well. My vote is Gizmo. I can send you some great pictures of my female if you like. Her momma was a Direct Hit x mr. Corrector.
This is my opinon. What i have found is that when I have used older bloodlines on my Double Visions it really seems to balance nicely. The calf pictured in my profile is out of a Sonny x Cherry vision sire and the dam is Byland Cindy Beauty x wakaru. It really has seem to click well. Moderate framed cattle that gain well and finish in that 52" hip height. My females have great rip and depth of body.
I am anxious to try some (JIT probably knows more) Alta Cedar First Blood. I used Gizmo and he really didn't down size any of my calves. They were small at birth and they have been growing like weeds. I am very pleased with my heifer calf out of Gizmo. I would recommend Gizmo ( Elbee probably knows more on that side). There is a new bull coming out of Jungles that I am waiting to see calves on. He is a Levadale Javelin and was successfully bred to heifers.
I think you should look for an outcross for her and stay away from the stuff sires completely. I have one of just about every thing in the pasture, Double Vision, Bad Moon Rising, Quartermaster, Rodeo Drive, Ar Su Lu's and I mix them. I breathed a sigh of relief when i found out they are free to this point.
Nice looking heifer by the way and like the donor as well. I too think that for the first go around shoot for live. There are enough red angus folks on here to tell you who might help on the durham red side as well. My vote is Gizmo. I can send you some great pictures of my female if you like. Her momma was a Direct Hit x mr. Corrector.
Dale said:
I saw Double Duty about five years ago so my memory is fuzzy but I remember him being a good sized bull (maybe a 6 or 61/2). We flushed our Millvale Rose donor to him and should have calves next spring. I was really impressed with Marty's pen bulls this year. Most of them were double bred Double Duty and were as stout and thick as anything and had unparalleled calving ease potential. Not sure I would call them breed changers but if there were more bulls like them around commercial acceptance for our breed wouldn't be so far fetched.
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the angus111 said:
Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle. Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words... "the result of poor breeding decisions".
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tj,i was feeling sorry for myself,therefore the poor humor.aegerter has her on his private treaty listingsif you want to see her.AEGERTER SALES. Thanks for the input,rusty
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OH BREEDER, HE WILL GO ON THE LIST.I AM GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE .THANKS FOR YOUR OPINION RUSTY
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dragon lady said:TJ said:
TJ - I think he was being silly - he does that on occasion - you will learn to love that about him!
I figured that was probably the case, that is why I went fishing with my post. It's all good.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2007, 09:40:12 AM » Reply with quote
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Diamond Legs 21 is a bull that I have only seen a few calves from. He was not used a lot in Canada, as only a little semen ever made it up here. He was bred by Lecil Church in Oklahoma and he has an interesting pedigree. He is sired by Leggs ( WI Dividend 3J) and his dam is really quite " old school" genetics. She has one cross of Leader breeding through her grandsire Candun Leader ( who has a shot of Kinnaber Leader 9th as well as Pheasant Dawn Seal 2nd). The rest of breeding in Legs 21's dam all goes back to old Scottish bulls from the 50s and 60s. Bulls like Kinellar Napolean ( Acadia Farms herd sire), Glasmis Bobbydazzler and Crichton Prince Charlie all were imported from Scotland and came out of the Perth Bull Sale in Scotland. It is interesting that these bloodlines are almost non existent, in Scotland now. There is also a shot of old Bapton Constructor in her background, through Louada Chancellor. Bapton Constructor was the " Trump of the 60s" as you weren't no body unless you had a Bapton Constructor son or grandson as a herdsire.
One thing I have wondered about is that Diamond Legs 21 is registered as polled yet both his sire and dam were registered as horned. He does have one shot of polled breeding through his maternal grandsire Candun Leader and it could be that his dam was actually a polled female. I always found the Irish sires were very easy to poll, that is most Irish sires would sire polled calves if they were bred to polled females. I raised a few full Irish cattle that were horned but their horns never grew more than about 4 or 5 inches and were losely attached to the skull.... kinda like " Texas scurs". Siince the Irish cattle were linebred from Shorthorns in the 30s and 40s, it could be that they resembled in some ways, the original cattle that were named " Short Horns" .
Getting back to Legs 21, his calves are quite moderate in frame and they do have good thickness. I really don't know why he hasn't been used more than he has. I think this bull has some merit in todays industry.He is probably one of the better breeding Leggs sons. With his dams breeding, you may have to use him on the bigger framed cows in your herd to get the best results.
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[PS, one other thing, you may, or, may mot want to know, is that LC Diamond Cutterx, is the ONLY Beef Shorthorn Bull Available AI in ABS Mexico's sire list. He musta really worked on some commercial cows, or produced excellent replacements, because those guys down there don't have time to mess around with cattle that don't perform( or survive) in such a challenging environment. The reason I say he must have clicked on some commercial cows, is that there isn't a Shorthorn Breed Association in Mexico, leaving out the possibility of him being put across registered cows, or clubby mamas./i]
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Diamond Legs 21 is a bull that I have only seen a few calves from. He was not used a lot in Canada, as only a little semen ever made it up here. He was bred by Lecil Church in Oklahoma and he has an interesting pedigree. He is sired by Leggs ( WI Dividend 3J) and his dam is really quite " old school" genetics. She has one cross of Leader breeding through her grandsire Candun Leader ( who has a shot of Kinnaber Leader 9th as well as Pheasant Dawn Seal 2nd). The rest of breeding in Legs 21's dam all goes back to old Scottish bulls from the 50s and 60s. Bulls like Kinellar Napolean ( Acadia Farms herd sire), Glasmis Bobbydazzler and Crichton Prince Charlie all were imported from Scotland and came out of the Perth Bull Sale in Scotland. It is interesting that these bloodlines are almost non existent, in Scotland now. There is also a shot of old Bapton Constructor in her background, through Louada Chancellor. Bapton Constructor was the " Trump of the 60s" as you weren't no body unless you had a Bapton Constructor son or grandson as a herdsire.
One thing I have wondered about is that Diamond Legs 21 is registered as polled yet both his sire and dam were registered as horned. He does have one shot of polled breeding through his maternal grandsire Candun Leader and it could be that his dam was actually a polled female. I always found the Irish sires were very easy to poll, that is most Irish sires would sire polled calves if they were bred to polled females. I raised a few full Irish cattle that were horned but their horns never grew more than about 4 or 5 inches and were losely attached to the skull.... kinda like " Texas scurs". Siince the Irish cattle were linebred from Shorthorns in the 30s and 40s, it could be that they resembled in some ways, the original cattle that were named " Short Horns" .
Getting back to Legs 21, his calves are quite moderate in frame and they do have good thickness. I really don't know why he hasn't been used more than he has. I think this bull has some merit in todays industry.He is probably one of the better breeding Leggs sons. With his dams breeding, you may have to use him on the bigger framed cows in your herd to get the best results.
quote Gary Bob
[PS, one other thing, you may, or, may mot want to know, is that LC Diamond Cutterx, is the ONLY Beef Shorthorn Bull Available AI in ABS Mexico's sire list. He musta really worked on some commercial cows, or produced excellent replacements, because those guys down there don't have time to mess around with cattle that don't perform( or survive) in such a challenging environment. The reason I say he must have clicked on some commercial cows, is that there isn't a Shorthorn Breed Association in Mexico, leaving out the possibility of him being put across registered cows, or clubby mamas./i]
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"Moderate" does not equate to "Midget".
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garybob said:
I agree with you 100%. However, people who raise frame 7+, 1600+ lb. cows will probably disagree, because that's what it takes to win in the showring at many breed shows. FWIW, I like a cow that is around 47-49 inches tall & weighs 1100 - 1250 lbs., which is where I expect most of my F1 Lowlines will end up. Jerry Adamson, (Rockin J Ranch in NE) sold some 1/2 blood Lowline breds a few years ago in one of his sales that were 48 inches tall & 1300+ lbs. Some people would call a cow that size a "midget", but if they wean off 600+ lb. calves on nothing but grass, I don't care what anybody calls them!!
