I have seen 3 get serious calves and they are very sound functional loaded with muscle and style. we have a Feb heifer from get serious out of a average sutherland cow and everyone from the local steer jocks to the Vet have tried to buy her. we will try to post pics later she was weaned a week ago but she didnt lose much and has a great disposition. I don't know what kind of program you have but the bull phildons absolutly works great on black cows for shorthorn plus.