Shorthorn Sired- Galloway influenced calves

[mark tenenbaum]

I saw Exclusive at Harold Hoskins in 1991 or 2-and he was the smoothest made bull I had ever seen-a shimmering shiny bull-extremely goodlooking, thick and beutifull fronted.-just stopped you in your tracks.And H'ed do it today. Harold bought him and then made him  to be the "sire" of all the Vistas Sentra MA calves he produced. Like Exclusives Carrie-who then became Flashes 2075 (Flash was Vistas Sentra). However- Carries dam-an incredible white cow-was not related to 2975 at all-but sired by a Charolaus bull Harold called a Shorthorn, etc.Stone Cattle in Illinois (Llloyd Stone is realated to the Moores) were the only other people to use Exclusive that I remember-and they were very good-Id use him today. O0 O0

 

[librarian]

About getting a blue roan... Using a white park pattern won't get you there. I would go back to Young Money because of the Maine, just like you guys are talking about. I think the Renegade Blue bull might have a diluter gene from the Simmental. He looked kind of muddy colored.
Even though Eye Candy was dark colored he must have had a splashy Maine roan element that came out when he was bred to Shorthorn roan genetics to get the color in Young Money.
So I would find a Black Galloway with some Maine or Shorthorn bred in and then put Young Money on her to get your roan.
It's ironic that Eye Candy is THC. My idea is that by using Galloway the show kids can get those characteristics they want without the TH.

 

[librarian]

Just using a Shorthorn X Angus blue roan cow ought to get you there. This is the half sister of that white cow. Same Angus dam, but this one was sired by my white Shorthorn bull. If I could only keep one, this would be the one. If I gave her grain she would explode.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Ive been seeing a pretty high percentage of Blues out of some simms-I dont know if its the Angus plus the Shorthorn gene in the simms. And as far as Maines-Rainmaker looks black to me but throws alot of blues also. From a nan scientific approach-its just there with certain animals-and tuff to pin down.Young money along with some Maine has alot of irish Shorthorn back there along with some old line Shorts as well-which I think might sway the elusive color towards blue. There are more and more double clean club calf bulls appearing-basically by luck and the sheer volume of use-like Young Money.One school says dont touch a carrier-another says try and get a clean one-and I"ll sure use a clean one. O0

 

[HAB]

As librarian said the white park pattern of the white Galloway gives you that pattern.  Black Galloway bred to red and white,  roans,  or white bred shorthorn will get you blue roans.  You will also get white park pattern out of white bred shorthorns with a black Galloway. 

How do think the pattern was started in the first place?

 

[librarian]

Some say it is a version of temperature regulated gene expression to concentrate pigment in the bodies' extremities to keep them warmer.

The supernatural origin of color pointed cattle...caution, if you are superstitious and intend to beef out your white park patterned cows some day, this story may present you with a dilemma. I admit I have never sent a white cow with red ears to market...this potential curse is very inconvenient since my White Galloway bull carried a red gene and I crossed him with red gene carrying cows...but the red points really neat, magical or not.
http://www.jwest.biz/WelshWhiteCow.htm

A review of color patterns and White Galloways
http://www.britishwhitecattle.us.com/2012/02/white-galloway-cattle-and-color.html

And an article on red eared cattle that I am frustrated not to be able to read to the end
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1261007?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

 

[mark tenenbaum]

More interested in how dark cattle produce blues-and the roan pattern for lack of a better description. The reason being in my mind is unless you use a native or Canadian Shorthorn-alot of times they end up black:even from a white or near white bull.-Yet 1/2 breed mixed up cattle throw blues. I"m basing it more on Maine, Simm, Shorthorn or Black Clubby like Eye Candy:Everyday mainstream if you will cattle.-and How Young Money (whos half black)-used on a many generations black cow-produces blues like Renegade. O0

 

[librarian]

It seems pretty easy to get this white mixed in on the hindquarters by putting my White Shorthorn on a black Galloway cow. I get it every time.. But never the rainy day blue you see in photos of Blue Grey cattle in Great Britain. Maybe you have to put the white in one more time.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

It seems pretty easy to get this white mixed in on the hindquarters by putting my White Shorthorn on a black Galloway cow. I get it every time.. But never the rainy day blue you see in photos of Blue Grey cattle in Great Britain. Maybe you have to put the white in one more time.  An oldschool white Shorthorn would produce alot more blues than a modern one with the popular breeding-because of the very pronouced RWM color that comes from the old fullbloods that the KABA-Solution etc cattle go back to. Again-I am not interested in being Mr Science-spouting Zygores n Chromozones-we just recently discovered indoor plumbing here on the West Va Border. Im talking about the cattle Ive seen. O0

 

[librarian]

Blue Roan seems to be a kind of a 2+2=5 kind of thing. Shades of Grey don't fit into the scientific box very well.

 

[HAB]

White Shorthorn on black Galloway cow

 

[mark tenenbaum]

COWABUNGA! What White Shorthorn is she sired by? Looks somewhat like aTM Gus from hooks back O0

 

[HAB]

COWABUNGA! What White Shorthorn is she sired by? Looks somewhat like aTM Gus from hooks back O0

All European bred.  Located across the pond. 

 

[librarian]

I've been studying up on Whitebred Shorthorns, the top cross for traditional BlueGrey cattle in Great Britain. The Blue Grey cows over there often have a sort of overconditioned look, despite being on windswept hill pasture.
But the Galloway cows in the pictures also have that character, so maybe that tendency is coming from the particular Galloway genetics Blue Grey breeders use.
Anyway, to get that volume, maybe the Whitebred Shorthorn is key.
Anyone know the DNA on them?
http://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.co.uk/farming/10603707.Campaign_starts_to_encourage_farmers_to_breed_Blue_Greys/