Simmental registration question
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Pleasant Grove Farms
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they do register at 25%
There are different answers to that question.
If the sire is registered with ASA, regardless of the %, you should be able to register the calf, even if the dam is unregistered with any breed association.
If the dam is the registered Simmental parent, the sire must be registered with ASA. If the sire is not a Simmental or percentage Simmie, he has to be registered with another breed association and then also registered with ASA as Foundation.
The % becomes an issue if you want to show the calf. Some shows have classes for registered % bloods; at some shows you would show with AOB. But you should be able to get papers unless the sire is not registered with any breed association.
If you can tell me more about what you have, I might be able to help more. Or call the association...they'd help you figure it out and walk you through the process and costs involved.
If the sire is registered with ASA, regardless of the %, you should be able to register the calf, even if the dam is unregistered with any breed association.
If the dam is the registered Simmental parent, the sire must be registered with ASA. If the sire is not a Simmental or percentage Simmie, he has to be registered with another breed association and then also registered with ASA as Foundation.
The % becomes an issue if you want to show the calf. Some shows have classes for registered % bloods; at some shows you would show with AOB. But you should be able to get papers unless the sire is not registered with any breed association.
If you can tell me more about what you have, I might be able to help more. Or call the association...they'd help you figure it out and walk you through the process and costs involved.
I have a half blood cow that has a Monopoly calf. Our county fair is by breed and as long as they have papers form a association they can show under that breed. I have 2 Chis but would like them in different breeds, so I would like the one simmental.
The dam will have to be registered as a 1/2 blood and the sire will have to be registered as Foundation. If the cow is registered, then check to see if Monopoly is registered with ASA. if he isn't and he's registered with another breed association, you can pay the $25 fee to register him as Foundation. Then you can register the calf as 1/4 blood.
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along with having Monopoly registered as a foundation sire with the ASA,
they will not send you papers until the TH test results are sent to them;
you will however get an online pedigree, an ASA #, but no paper until that
test is complete.
I just checked for you, Monopoly is registered as a foundation sire with the
Simmental Association, his trait track is red, meaning he is a carrier for one or
more genetic defects.
If you check his trait track data, it would appear that not only would you have
to test for the TH status of your heifer but also there is in Monopoly's lineage
a chance to carry NH, CA and AM; the Simmental Association holds papers until
all of those genetic risks are tested for.....
the Simmental Association has gone to great lengths to keep the breed's integrity
intact.
they will not send you papers until the TH test results are sent to them;
you will however get an online pedigree, an ASA #, but no paper until that
test is complete.
I just checked for you, Monopoly is registered as a foundation sire with the
Simmental Association, his trait track is red, meaning he is a carrier for one or
more genetic defects.
If you check his trait track data, it would appear that not only would you have
to test for the TH status of your heifer but also there is in Monopoly's lineage
a chance to carry NH, CA and AM; the Simmental Association holds papers until
all of those genetic risks are tested for.....
the Simmental Association has gone to great lengths to keep the breed's integrity
intact.
Right...if Monopoly's genetic defect status is unknown, then he will have to be tested before they'll issue papers on progeny. If he's already registered as Foundation, then that means somebody else might have either registered progeny or is in the process of doing so...you'll just have to inquire with somebody at the association. If his status is red and he's known to be a carrier, then there shouldn't be a hold on getting papers because of that. If he's coded pink or yellow for any traits, meaning carrier in the pedigree or population risk/status unknown, then some tests will need to be done to clarify his status. Same goes for the dam. If both parents are known (tested) carriers (coded red) or tested or assumed free (coded green) then you can get papers quickly. Since he is a carrier, your calf will be coded pink and will have to be tested before you can register a calf out of that animal. Also, just so you know, a lot of sanctioned sales won't accept anything that isn't TraitTrac green meaning either they've tested free or they're assumed free by pedigree.
frostback said:
The dam can't be TraitTrac yellow or pink either...her status will have to be known or assumed free. At least if you still own her though, that's usually a lot easier to deal with than relying on other people to get tests done and results recorded.
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not to hijack this but i have a paddy omalley hfr due to calf to fatt butt in feb. she tested pha and th clean from igenity. can i register the calf as a foundation?
Foundation cattle are registered cattle of other breeds. It doesn't matter if the dam is registered or not...if she is, you can register her with ASA as Foundation--the intent is that you will breed her to Simmental and register the calves as % Simmie. If the cow is unregistered, she goes into the database as commercial. Either way, you calf by Fat Butt can be registered as a half blood. The only difference is that females registered as Foundation bring with them into the database their complete pedigree on file with another association. If she's in the system as commercial, it just shows the breed make up with no pedigree. If the cow is registered, i would pay the $17 for Foundation registration.
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leanbeef said:
thanks for the info lean!!
Mills Cattle said:
An animal does not have to be tested to be registered. The status will show as yellow (population risk) or pink (carrier in pedigree) if one of those designations apply. Any commercial Angus, Shorthorn or Maine blood would make the calf's status yellow. Animals that must be tested would be the sire & dam of the calf before you can register their progeny. Since a steer will never produce a calf, you can register him as long as his parents (both of which obviously are breeding stock) don't require a test to have progeny registered out of them. I don't think it matters if the calf is a bull, a heifer or a steer.
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All good advice, answers, etc...but why waste your time. Call the American Simmental Association at 406.587.4531 and ask them. I have found that when I have a question, whether it's the ASA, AAA, ACA or testing labs, they all are more than willing to take your call and give you an answer. They are there to help you. Forums are nice and a great place to spread ideas, but if you want the facts, only a representative from the ASA can give you the true answer.
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leanbeef said:
If he is a steer, he does not need to be tested. I have a purebred bull calf, embryo, that is by Harker's Domination out of a Zeis Miss Zel. She is yellow, so I can not get papers on the calf unless I test him or steer him (he did get DNA'd back to the sire and dam since he was an embryo). So sex does matter! We plan on cutting him, so I do not need any further tests. To fix having to test all of those calves, the owner would make life so much easier if they tested the cow for genetic defects before selling eggs on a flush. The resulting calves can be registered, just no papers issued until tests are done. I applaud ASA for doing a great job at keeping the disease issue in the forefront, just buyer beware if you pick up embryos on a cow that is not green (meaning clear of all known diseases)!
