Don't know if any of you folks have saeen this bull in person? I have not to be sure. However, a very respectable shorthorn breeder told me his picture does more justice than he deserves. He said he was really short fronted and really rough through the sholder area,and wasn't near as massive from behind as it appears in pictures. I repeat, these are statements made to me from 2 fellows that have seen him in person,and that was their opinion. They both know good cattle as they raise and sell some great calves. Just passing on what I was told.