Star Lake Herefords Dispersal

[Miller Cattle Company 2M]

Who is number 3???

 

[hevmando]

Based upon the dialogue in the ACE topic today, not sure I want to reply but I believe Charolais are number 3.  Annual battle lately according to them between the Herefords for #2. 

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Where do red angus and shorthorns fall on the list? I'm sure shorthorns are right the with beefaloes

 

[Will]

According to a google search
Angus 270,000
Hereford both polled and horned 110,000
Limmy's 49,000
Charolais 45,000
simmy's 44,000
Red Angus 42,000
Beef Masters 40,000
Brangus 26,000
Shorthorn 22,000
Brahman 15,000
Maines 12,000
Salers 10,000
Chi and Chiangus 6700

 

[chambero]

Interesting data.  Would not have guessed Liimis were on par with Simis and Char.  Beefmaster nos surprise me too.

 

[twistedhshowstock]

I would have never guessed the limis were that high on the list.  That really shocks me.  Beefmasters dont really surprise me though, beefmaster breeders have made a big push the last couple of years.  And while they were never intended to be a show ring breed, we are starting to see some really really attractive ones out there.  But to me they are a very well rounded commercial breed.  They are hardy, typically easy doing cattle, that will produce a calf that will hit the ground growing and produce a decent carcass.  And from what I see from breeders and sales they tend to do well in all climates, unlike most other breeds that typically do better in one climate or the other.  Most of the english and exotic breeds handle the cooler climates up north pretty well, but cant handle our summers down here as well.  Most of the other American breeds do really well in our summers but cant handle the northern winters.  But I have actually seen some people that do really well with beefmaster cows as far north as northern Colorado.  Beefmasters also got on the ticket and got an Open Show in Louisville last yr.  I may be mistaken, but they are the first Brahman influenced breed I recall doing that.

 

[justintime]

I'm not surprised with Beefmaster numbers either. I expect with the recent heat seen in the Midwest and south recently, there could be more people thinking of getting some. One of the most memorable herds I have seen, was a Beefmaster herd in Texas. I was travelling with a Texan and he stopped on the road and we walked into his neighbours Beefmaster herd. The things that impressed me the most were 1) how quiet these cows were 2) how uniform they were... they looked like they had been cloned as almost every female looked the same 3) how good condition they carried for having 100 +F heat for weeks.4) every cow had a perfect udder and a fat calf at side. That is the only Beefmaster herd I have ever seen so maybe I saw a unique set of cows, but they sure stuck in my mind as one of best herds I have seen ... of any breed. Maybe if the drought of 2012 lingers for a few more years, the Aussie Droughtmaster breed will make the list.

I will also say that here in Western Canada, the Hereford breed ( Both polled and horned) are having a resurgence in popularity. There was some very good Hereford bull sales in the past couple years and some of their female sales have been tremendous as well. Horned Herefords have always been popular with the Western Rancher. So many commercial herds have used so many Angus bulls in the past decade that these guys are starting to look at other breeds to cross with their basically black cow herds now. Hereford, Shorthorn , Simmis and Charolais are all benefiting from this.

Back to the original topic about Star Lake dispersing, I always find it rather sad when a major herd like this decides to disperse. But these herds always disperse for their own set of reasons and it usually is a unique opportunity for the average breeder in a breed. I would suspect that it will be a great sale, but there will also be great buys for anyone serious about the breed. Everyone better study their lessons!

 

[Boot Jack Bulls]

Sorry to keep on with highjacking this thread, but I may have some insight on the reason behind Limi ranking third. They have an open herd book and for the last several years you could register a unregistered female of another breed with NALF as a foundation animal, providing they tested clean. We made use of the program, like many others, to register a group of grade Angus and Limi cows as foundation dams with NALF so their calves would have higher percentage values. It should be noted that it is set up so you cannot show offspring of one of these foundation dams, but that is takes at least a couple more generations to get show papers on that line. Good, bad, right, wrong or otherwise, this is how they do it.

 

[cedarcurve]

Sorry to keep on with highjacking this thread, but I may have some insight on the reason behind Limi ranking third. They have an open herd book and for the last several years you could register a unregistered female of another breed with NALF as a foundation animal, providing they tested clean. We made use of the program, like many others, to register a group of grade Angus and Limi cows as foundation dams with NALF so their calves would have higher percentage values. It should be noted that it is set up so you cannot show offspring of one of these foundation dams, but that is takes at least a couple more generations to get show papers on that line. Good, bad, right, wrong or otherwise, this is how they do it.

'how can you register a zero, as anything but a zero?

 

[aj]

You can't get much lower than maines on the list. I always pictured the Herfords doing well in semi arid areas.....big ranch country. I'm sure the show ring stuff has bred alot of these traits out of the Herfords but.....I bet you get along just fine if you sell a potload of Herford steers.

 

[Boot Jack Bulls]

Sorry to keep on with highjacking this thread, but I may have some insight on the reason behind Limi ranking third. They have an open herd book and for the last several years you could register a unregistered female of another breed with NALF as a foundation animal, providing they tested clean. We made use of the program, like many others, to register a group of grade Angus and Limi cows as foundation dams with NALF so their calves would have higher percentage values. It should be noted that it is set up so you cannot show offspring of one of these foundation dams, but that is takes at least a couple more generations to get show papers on that line. Good, bad, right, wrong or otherwise, this is how they do it.

'how can you register a zero, as anything but a zero?

It is a zero, but this way the female is on the books and recorded. The cow herself will not have any NALF percentage value, it is all about her offspring. You have to be able to put down a reg number of the dam to register a calf, so if you intend to register a 50% Limi calf with NALF, the dam must have an Angus, Limi or  foundation female number on the books. The resulting calves of breeding a 100%  Limi bull to a foundation female would result in NALF 50% calves, unless the foundation female is documented as a grade Angus or Limi. In this case, the calf''s registration may be as a higher percentage or changed to Lim-Flex all together. Also, NALF (North American Limousin Foundation) awards a NALF percentage to each animal, which is not always the same (but usually quite close) as it's actual breed percentages and all of this is listed on each registration certificate. Hope this helps clarify, as with any breed that has an open book, the details can get confusing!