Stealing Justintime's idea....Is there such a thing...

[Jill]

I think yuppiecowboy is now in my admiration society

 

[shortyjock89]

I think yuppiecowboy is now in my admiration society

aj is gonna feel left out.

 

[aj]

 

[Show Steaks]

Show Cattle are exactly that. They Shoudl represeent the best breedign animals or market animals.
I show my steer at county fair and have gotten well acquainted with last in class for the last 5 yearsm, the first coupel years i was mad, then i got realizing. My steer came from my cow at home and woudl sell at the auction after the show for .50 cents less than the cahmpion. Thenn My Steer went to slaughter and woudl have the top carcass every year. They say market steer calss the steer selected as champion usually was a low select calf and took discounts at slaughter while mine the last calf in class took all the premiums.

But hey what do i know i am last in class

 

[shortyjock89]

Hey, more power to you if your steers are grading so well.  The thing is, selling last place calves won't pay the bills here.  And the steers that we've shown cut just as good as any other steer we know of.  You CAN have the best of both worlds, which is what our goal is. 

If it makes you happy, do it. Not every calf can be a banner-winner and those cattle have their place too.

 

[Show Steaks]

I agree, My steers are flat ugly and have afeedlot purpose. most club calf steers are sold for premiums at feeder age for show winnign purposes
I myself am  starting to breed some club calves with a puropose of producing heifers(sorry pulling squares out of  a cow jsut isnt my thing)

 

[shortyjock89]

I agree, My steers are flat ugly and have afeedlot purpose. most club calf steers are sold for premiums at feeder age for show winnign purposes
I myself am  starting to breed some club calves with a puropose of producing heifers(sorry pulling squares out of  a cow jsut isnt my thing)

Hey, we shoot for heifers on each and every calf, I hate pulling calves too.  But if we don't get heifers, we want to be able to sell the steers as show calves. 

 

[jbh]

Great topic and set of posts......I had to check justintime's age on his profile because he drudged up alot of memories from my past.  I remember the days when we bred what we called "PONY" Angus cows to Fullblood Chi bulls to get away from the "belly-draggers".....and yes, in southern Iowa we have mud too......but the most annoying part was trying to get that tall new born calf down to "nipple level".....without completely blowing a gasket!

Personally, I'm a soundness freak...... BECAUSE...... if you let the option of something that can completely screw something up, into an equation, it will rear it's ugly head at the most aggrevating times possible....generally causing what could have been a 'GREAT ONE" to instead be "coyote bate".  THEN, it will stay within the equation for multiple generations to come.  I try to "JUST SAY NO!" right out of the gate as best I can, but that's not really the nature of much of the club calf industry.

The other thing I've learned is that you cant' breed what you like.....to what you like......and get what you like!  It generally takes a bull that's a changer, put on a good fundamental cow.  Hannibal is a great example of that....when he does it right, there's no better.....when he does it wrong, there's not much worse.

I agree that the bottom line is that you have to love the ones you live with, or it's not worth it....what ever type that may be. 

 

[justintime]

Brad... I am NOT old.... but the body I am living in is starting to get old!

 

[yuppiecowboy]

Mr Hook you made me laugh out loud. It is so refreshing to hear a bull owner acknowledge the downside. I guess hannibal's attributes speak for themself, I just assumed when I had "the worse" part it was due to my cows being lousy.

 

[cdncowboy]

Interesting thread, who's to say what is too much.  From my days in the purebred business and our environment there was too much milk, I live in an area where there are actually deserts that have more annual precipitation than we get, those heavy milking females just can't get enough to eat.  We needed more moderate milking females.  Our bull customers also appreciated the bulls with more bone, they felt they stood up better with the miles and terrain they had to cover, but too much was also not acceptable.

Now outta the purebreds, raising commercials and steers.  We try and raise the type of cattle that can fit the market and our environment - a trick all its own. 
If anything is too much in the steer business IMO - the continuance of promoting these dang TH and PHA carriers. I'm guilty of using some carriers in the past and because of the lack of selection up here in Canada, continue to use some. We seem to have all the luck in getting carriers cleared and little luck getting a clean one through.  But I will not use any of the double carriers no matter how "good" their calves might be.  To Mr. Hook's comment of being a soundness freak, I don't consider these bulls truly sound - btw Brad I do like my Wedding Crashers.  If the day that heifer calf, that real good one, hits the ground and you have to get a test done to see what genetic DEFECT she may or may not have, that is not a sound animal.
Sorry for getting a little off topic, I'll just take my soap box and go to room now.

 

[jbh]

Interesting thread, who's to say what is too much.  From my days in the purebred business and our environment there was too much milk, I live in an area where there are actually deserts that have more annual precipitation than we get, those heavy milking females just can't get enough to eat.  We needed more moderate milking females.  Our bull customers also appreciated the bulls with more bone, they felt they stood up better with the miles and terrain they had to cover, but too much was also not acceptable.

Now outta the purebreds, raising commercials and steers.  We try and raise the type of cattle that can fit the market and our environment - a trick all its own. 
If anything is too much in the steer business IMO - the continuance of promoting these dang TH and PHA carriers. I'm guilty of using some carriers in the past and because of the lack of selection up here in Canada, continue to use some. We seem to have all the luck in getting carriers cleared and little luck getting a clean one through.  But I will not use any of the double carriers no matter how "good" their calves might be.  To Mr. Hook's comment of being a soundness freak, I don't consider these bulls truly sound - btw Brad I do like my Wedding Crashers.  If the day that heifer calf, that real good one, hits the ground and you have to get a test done to see what genetic DEFECT she may or may not have, that is not a sound animal.
Sorry for getting a little off topic, I'll just take my soap box and go to room now.

I guess by "soundness" I was thinking ONLY of the animals skeletal structure and NOT genetic make-up......BUT I do agree with you on that issue also!  HOWEVER, that GENETIC DEFECT BRUSH paints a WIDE swath over a WIDE canvas of breeds of cattle.  And really a DEFECT is like a SIN......there's none greater than the other.....only different in kind!

Glad you like the WC's......by the way, full lifetime breeding rights are for sale on him if anyone's interested.(reasonably priced)

 

[shortdawg]

Jbh, Since you mentioned Hannibal I have an interesting ET calf coming out of him. He will be out of a Blue Roan cow that Alden used to own - she is a Trump on the top out of a Black Max Simmy x Maine cow from that big Maine breeder in SD - Dejong ? I think this dude could interesting - it's sexed a bull.

 

[jbh]

Jbh, Since you mentioned Hannibal I have an interesting ET calf coming out of him. He will be out of a Blue Roan cow that Alden used to own - she is a Trump on the top out of a Black Max Simmy x Maine cow from that big Maine breeder in SD - Dejong ? I think this dude could interesting - it's sexed a bull.

Keep me informed.  Thanks.