Steroid use and implants

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kobo_ranch

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Ok, I have been hearing rumors about people still using these things.  Can you tell me more about what they are and what they do?

How do these guys get them?  And how are they given?

I'm thinking they are definitely wrong to do for the industry, but have heard they are  still widely used in the show circuit.  Do they check for these things? 
IF they aren't going to outlaw all this stuff at all the shows isn't it highly unfair to the ones that aren't using them????

OK, can I get some experienced opinions on all this . . .
 

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Maybe I am not understanding your question but implants are widely used in commercial cattle feeding.

Mike
 

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blackcows said:
Maybe I am not understanding your question but implants are widely used in commercial cattle feeding.

Mike
Well not sure really, was visiting with a fellow this morning and he was talking about a couple different things that people do .  Either implant or spray on the feed to build muscle.
He talked like it was not supposed to be used, but didn't follow exactly??  I just want to know, what is allowed and whats not.  What is being used by the big boys that are winning and whats NOT.
Whats illegal and whats not. . .  this is our first year since I showed back in the day.  Our son only has two years to show and I want to know all the 'secrets to success' if some of you will share, my local folks won't!!  Want to do the right thing, but want to know what I'm competing against, say at Ft Worth, San Antone, and Houston.
 

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proverbial there was this guy story.

get him to quote facts. what is being used, by who, how much, how it's measured etc. 

actually, you know, i hear steers lift weights to rocky music and it builds muscle.
 

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knabe said:
proverbial there was this guy story.

get him to quote facts. what is being used, by who, how much, how it's measured etc. 

actually, you know, i hear steers lift weights to rocky music and it builds muscle.
Ok Knabe, I know I should have got my facts straight but was talking on my cell phone this morning at the ranch,  sorta bad signal . . . he did all the talking and I just listened obviously not good enough--haven't met face to face, etc, etc . . . 
Just thought a smart fellow like you and some of these other folks on here would know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. 
 

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In Texas the implants are legal, and done regularly, from what I'm told.  Our Vet implanted my son's show steer last year for our local show.  Don't know what is in the implant, but apparently helps them grow. 
 

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Look up "RalGro," which is OK and is used commercially.  If someone offers you clenbuterol, run the other direction.  If someone offers a bicycle pump and a needle, run the other way.  The legal stuff can be found on Sullivans or Sunglo -- feed supplements.  If it is not commercially available and labeled for use with cattle, it is probably something you do not want to use and could (should) result in a lifetime ban from the show ring.
 

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this is not an i need to be right issue, but does this link clarify things a little?

http://www.allivet.com/Articles.asp?ID=115

to me, implants mask mating thoughts.  so guys get girl stuff, and dolls get boy stuff.  they get fly stuff so the don't waste calories on batting flies away etc.

perhaps there is an implant for HSUS or PETA people.  maybe they would bath more often and soften the protest gene. 

hmm, maybe i should get an implant.
 

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HSUS and PETA types are missing something in their diet (meat) and consuming too much phyto-estrogen (from soy), which causes their brains to short out.  They become emotional, lose the ability to apply logic, decide to become "radicals" and "anarchists", all of which seems to kickstart some latent hair growing gene that causes hair to grow everywhere (kind of look like the caveman guys on the commercials), develop a whitish-yellowish pallor to their skin, and they generally look like chronic poor doers.  They can be rehabilitated once they eat beef on a regular basis, but it is rare.
 

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Our vet gives our steer Ralgro. It seems to work good with little to no side effects. They are completely legal here in Indiana. The only side effects are slight swelling around the tailhead and some more than usual moodiness. But we have only experienced the swelling around the tailhead and it wasnt that big of a deal.
 

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knabe said:
this is not an i need to be right issue, but does this link clarify things a little?

http://www.allivet.com/Articles.asp?ID=115

to me, implants mask mating thoughts.  so guys get girl stuff, and dolls get boy stuff.  they get fly stuff so the don't waste calories on batting flies away etc.

perhaps there is an implant for HSUS or PETA people.  maybe they would bath more often and soften the protest gene. 

hmm, maybe i should get an implant.
I know I probably need something--I know about the ralgrow stuff--I'm pretty sure he was talking about the questionable stuff.
Said something too about something you spray on the feed.  Guess no ones gonna say . . .     
 

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kobo_ranch said:
knabe said:
this is not an i need to be right issue, but does this link clarify things a little?

http://www.allivet.com/Articles.asp?ID=115

to me, implants mask mating thoughts.  so guys get girl stuff, and dolls get boy stuff.  they get fly stuff so the don't waste calories on batting flies away etc.

perhaps there is an implant for HSUS or PETA people.  maybe they would bath more often and soften the protest gene. 

hmm, maybe i should get an implant.
I know I probably need something--I know about the ralgrow stuff--I'm pretty sure he was talking about the questionable stuff.
Said something too about something you spray on the feed.  Guess no ones gonna say . . .      

As I suggested earlier "If it is not commercially available and labeled for use with cattle, it is probably something you do not want to use and could (should) result in a lifetime ban from the show ring."  So anybody who is smart is not going to suggest illegal junk to feed to show steers.
 

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I meant I know I need something--personally!!  LOL

I just really wanted to know what does go on.  It's just hard to compete fairly when there are those few that do whatever it takes to win!!
But I guess that's the world we live in today--certainly not just in the show cattle!

 

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Implants contain hormones similar to what is normally produced in all mammals, cattle and humans alike. Cattle will respond by increasing their weight gain. The implants are generally comprised of three types of hormones, but primarily only 2 increase growth. The three that can be in implants are progesterone, estrogen, and testosterone or their derivatives or synthetics. These are the normal steriod hormones that cattle (and humans) produce. Many of the implants have estradiol (estrogenic), testosterone or trenbolone acetate (androgenic), or combinations of the two.

Growth promoting hormones help stimulate growth in cattle by increasing the efficiency with which nutrients from feed are converted to lean tissue. Typically administered as a small implant in an animal’s ear, growth promoting products have been on the market for more than 30 years—with multiple research studies failing to establish to any negative impact on human health. Hormones similar to those in growth promoting products occur naturally in all plants and animals, including humans. For example, a serving of milk contains nine times the level of hormones as a serving of beef from an implanted steer. A serving of cabbage contains a level 710 times higher and soybean oil contains 7,466 times higher hormone levels than a serving of beef. The average man or woman produces 35,000 times more hormones than a serving of beef from an implanted steer. Just like any other animal health product, growth promotants were made available to beef producers for use only after the product had successfully completed the strict approval process required by the Food and Drug Administration. The rigorous and extensive scientific tests required for these approvals are similar to the tests the FDA requires for human drug approval.  Before a new animal drug receives FDA approval, it must be clinically tested for effectiveness and safety. If a product is intended for use in a food-producing animal, it must also be tested for safety to human consumers, and the edible animal products must be free of unsafe drug residues. The sponsor must also develop analytical methods to detect and measure drug residues in edible animal products. The use of growth promotants is regulated further by the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety Inspection Service, which regularly tests meat for residues that might indicate improper use of animal health products.

All meat and milk contains hormones that occur naturally in animals. Plants also contain hormones which are commonly referred to as phytoestrogens, etc. So, all food will contain hormones. Implanting cattle does not increase the concentration of hormones that you consume. As an example, a feedlot steer that is implanted with an estrogenic implant will contain 1.4 nanograms of estrogen which is 0.0000000014 grams of estrogen. A non-implanted steer will contain 1.1 nanograms of estrogen which is 0.0000000011 grams of estrogen in each serving of steak or beef. The only reason we know that is goes from 1.1 to 1.4 nanograms is because we can measure it today with very sophisticated equipment. In essence, there is no change. If consumers are concerned about consumption of hormones, my concerns are with phytoestrogens in plants. Given all the information I have seen and available, implanting cattle has no effect on meat safety. There are also no nutritional differences between "organic" meat compared to traditional meat. By the way, the ears are removed at marketing and never are in the food supply. That is why beef cattle are implanted in that area.

kobo_ranch said:
I just really wanted to know what does go on.  It's just hard to compete fairly when there are those few that do whatever it takes to win!!

Implants have little do with the disparity between the winners and losers, IMO. 
 

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On the subject of implants, Revalor is used quite a bit.  It's a legal growth implant that will help drop the sheath and build a crest to nudge some of the slightly too cleanly made steers into a more American look for classification.
 

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GoWyo said:
HSUS and PETA types are missing something in their diet (meat) and consuming too much phyto-estrogen (from soy), which causes their brains to short out.  They become emotional, lose the ability to apply logic, decide to become "radicals" and "anarchists", all of which seems to kickstart some latent hair growing gene that causes hair to grow everywhere (kind of look like the caveman guys on the commercials), develop a whitish-yellowish pallor to their skin, and they generally look like chronic poor doers.  They can be rehabilitated once they eat beef on a regular basis, but it is rare.

Love it!!
 

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Another example of illegal use is Paylean
Opti-Flexx is legal for cattle and Paylean is not. There were folks also caught using Paylean on cattle. Ralgro has done wonders for our harder doing calves. We also used Opti-Flexx last year and had some noticeable results. The biggest side effect was the steers were little more aggressive with the Opti.

Clenbuterol, vegetable oil injections, airing are all illegal practices that in some states will get you band for life. Best is just do the right thing. Winner at all cost is not worth it in the long run. I truly believe in the end it all catches up.
 

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OH Breeder said:
Another example of illegal use is Paylean
Opti-Flexx is legal for cattle and Paylean is not. There were folks also caught using Paylean on cattle. Ralgro has done wonders for our harder doing calves. We also used Opti-Flexx last year and had some noticeable results. The biggest side effect was the steers were little more aggressive with the Opti.

Clenbuterol, vegetable oil injections, airing are all illegal practices that in some states will get you band for life. Best is just do the right thing. Winner at all cost is not worth it in the long run. I truly believe in the end it all catches up.

WOW! How refreshing!

You will be safe with anything that the label says is approved for use in cattle and provides a withdrawal time. Follow the label to the T - avoid anything that is not approved for use in cattle or appears in a brown paper bag or unmarked syringe

Clenbuterol is one of the group of drugs that is absolutely positively forbidden for use in food animals - people have done jail time for using it

good luck
 

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If you arent using Revlor in a slick show, you aint trying.

Clembuterol was (is) an equine asthmatic medication that had a weird effect on animals, in that it turned Angelina Jolie into Jennifer Lopez. Tiny little complication was that if the animal was slaughtered with the compound still in its system, people with certain heart ailments could drop over dead face first in their tiramisu while dining at Mortons.Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the whole "BEEF, its whats for dinner" thing we were trying to promote.

DL could help me here, but I am near positive it is not a steroid. In fact if you really wanted to, you could make the same compound by reducing Aspirin, Coca-Cola, and diet pills woth Ephedra. Caffeine, Asylacitic (sp?) Acid, and Ephedra.

I bet Chambero would know more than I about when a certain Texas show family shot and buried $250k worth of steers before the feds got there.

 

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Back when things really hit the fan I heard of alot of new show barns that were built on top of several high dollar steer carcasses. RW
 
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