Sulfer Toxicity - MERGED TOPICS

[DakotaCow]

I don't need to work on a cow calf operation to learn how its done, already own one. Sooooooo let me guess the reason for the premature calf is Drumroll..... Sulfur toxicity? Are there no other reasons for calf mortality? Neighbor accidentally backed over a calf of his two years ago, he didn't get a post done on it but we suspect it had something to do with the ultra low sulfur diesel he was burning in his tractor was actually regular diesel, thus the elevated sulfur levels.

 

[BTDT]

I don't need to work on a cow calf operation to learn how its done, already own one. Sooooooo let me guess the reason for the premature calf is Drumroll..... Sulfur toxicity? Are there no other reasons for calf mortality? Neighbor accidentally backed over a calf of his two years ago, he didn't get a post done on it but we suspect it had something to do with the ultra low sulfur diesel he was burning in his tractor was actually regular diesel, thus the elevated sulfur levels.

I don't care who you are... THAT IS FUNNY!!

 

[aj]

World to end today......women,children and minorities.....hit the hardest!

 

[BTDT]

Again, spell out your ax. What is your actual name? What company do you work for? What is the lawsuit about?  Be as clear and precise as possible, as it is calving season and my brain is a bit fuzzy. (I KNOW, how can I possibly calve 75 cows all by myself?) 

I calve 75 head of cows. I can ID each cow, from a distance, with or without a tag.  I am also smart enough to tell if a cow has just calved.  And every expert (by book or by experience) will tell you colostrum should be a "sooner the better" rather than "later" and best if before 6 hours.

About 20 years ago, I had a bunch of ewes get into the self feeder. They died. Probably sulfur. 
About 5 years ago, I had a cow die under a tree that was struck by lightening. Again, I suspect sulfur.
My best cow dog died after 15 years of hard work. Had to be the sulfur.
Last season, a neighbor hunted several deer. Definitely the sulfur.

As for the California kids - well, they ARE in California.  My guess it could be ANYTHING; imported disease, foreign virus. Again, they ARE in California.

 

[OH Breeder]

Can someone explain to me how sulfur toxicity and the new strain of Polo virus are related? I know exactly how virus works but I am not sure how sulfur toxicity in beef cattle caused Polo in california kids?

 

[knabe]

Can someone explain to me how sulfur toxicity and the new strain of Polo virus are related? I know exactly how virus works but I am not sure how sulfur toxicity in beef cattle caused Polo in california kids?

already asked that.  he already ignored it.

there is none.

so far, the only similarity is the word polio, which means gray.

 

[Sir Loin]

Re:

Can someone explain to me how sulfur toxicity and the new strain of Polo virus are related? I know exactly how virus works but I am not sure how sulfur toxicity in beef cattle caused Polo in california kids?

Polio in humans is a virus. (poliomyelitis )
PEM ( AKA polio ) ( /Polioencephalomalacia ) in cattle is not a virus, it is toxic poisoning.
PEM produces (poliomyelitis ) like symptoms.
Sir Loin

 

[cowman 52]

Practicing medicine without a license,  vet practice with out a license, preaching without being ordained,  no education,  parkinsons,  horse apples'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <party>

 

[Sir Loin]

FYI:
Sen. Barbara Boxer urges CDC to investigate polio-like condition in California
Feb. 27, 2014 1:27 PM 

http://www.mydesert.com/article/2014022 ... california

 

[DakotaCow]

Was beginning to miss you on here, I have been bored. Clearly the parents should quit feeding ddg and the like in California. Guess the schools have been overfeeding it in the lunches, hard to find an English speaking lunch lady who can fix a jelly and modified samich in proper proportions

 

[Sir Loin]

As expected,  here comes the government's attempt at a cover up.
“ NOT DULY ALARMED “ ? Try telling that to the parents of the children who have been paralyzed for life!!

CDC is 'not unduly alarmed' by cases of a polio-like illness in California
February 27, 2014

As AFP is not a notifiable disease in the U.S., it is unclear how many cases occur typically. However, countries that perform regular surveillance find there is one case per 100,000 children aged under 15 years old every year. By applying this rate to California--which has 8 million kids in the age demographic--CDC predicts the state could suffer 80 cases of AFP a year. "Within that context, the number of cases we're aware of is not a cause for public concern," CDC viral disease expert Jane Seward told The Washington Post.

http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/cdc-not-unduly-alarmed-cases-polio-illness-california/2014-02-27

 

[knabe]

how would you prioritize your concerns against this list?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_preventable_causes_of_death#Leading_causes_in_the_United_States


why aren't you railing how dangerous it is to go to the hospital? humans are programmed to fear what is in their brain the last few days versus taking data into context.  that does not diminish any one category of problems. it just says where we should be spending our finite resources. of course some would say we don't have finite resources and should just tax more and reimburse less, fueling a cycle of shared misery.




Annual number of deaths in the United States and causes

Cause​ Number​ Percent of total​ Notes​

Preventable medical errors in hospitals[/t]210,000 to 448,000[8]23.1%Estimates vary, significant numbers of preventable deaths also result from errors outside of hospitals. Smoking tobacco[/t]435,000[5]18.1% Being overweight and obesity[/t]111,909[9]4.6%There was considerable debate about the differences in the numbers of obesity-related diseases. The numbers reported in the referenced article have been found to be the most accurate.[10] Alcohol[/t]85,000[5]3.5% Infectious diseases[/t]75,000[5]3.1% Toxic agents including toxins,particulates and radon[/t]55,000[5]2.3% Traffic collisions[/t]43,000[5]1.8% Firearms deaths[/t]31,940[11]1.3%Suicide: 19,766; homicide: 11,101; Accidents: 852; Unknown: 822 Sexually transmitted infections[/t]20,000[5]0.8% Drug abuse17,000[5]0.7%

 

[Sir Loin]

FYI: more on PEM
http://ag.udel.edu/anfs/staff/kung_limin/extension_pubs/ruminent_nutrition/9.htm

 

[MCC]

Can you smell what I have been standing in?

I don't only smell it I can SEE IT! PLEASE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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I'm lightheaded and dizzy and about to pass out!

 

[knabe]

Can you smell what I have been standing in?

this thread has a sort of toxicity.

 

[ejoe326]

knabe I think it's because most of us are eating our own ddg meat. 

 

[OH Breeder]

Re:

Can someone explain to me how sulfur toxicity and the new strain of Polo virus are related? I know exactly how virus works but I am not sure how sulfur toxicity in beef cattle caused Polo in California kids?

Polio in humans is a virus. (poliomyelitis )
PEM ( AKA polio ) ( /Polioencephalomalacia ) in cattle is not a virus, it is toxic poisoning.
PEM produces (poliomyelitis ) like symptoms.
Sir Loin

Your terms are not interchangeable. You are discussing causes and using symptoms as the diagnosis. The cause may be a concentrated feed ration the symptom is PEM. Like you don't have the sneezes, you have a symptom that may or may not be attributed to a cold, allergy or another disturbance with in the mucus membrane. If you are discussing toxic poisoning I haven't seen anywhere yet they have identified the children in California were poisoned. E 68 virus has been the only causative agent potentially identified causing the "polio like symptoms".

WHAT is being said about the children in California is .....The disease resembles but is not the same as polio," he said. "But this is serious. Most of the children we've seen so far have not recovered use of their arm or their leg."  Dr. Keith Van Haren at Lucile Packard Children's Hospital at Stanford University

Physicians and public health officials who have encountered similar illnesses have submitted 20 reports to CDPH, and CDPH has conducted preliminary tests on 15 of these specimens," he said. "Thus far, the department has not identified any common causes that suggest that the cases are linked."

One lead in the California children rare "Polio-Like" symptoms is Enterovirus 68.
E 68 is a causative agent in respiratory illness in children, but rarely attacks the central nervous system but can and may cause paralysis or even death
Enterovirus 68 contains
  -echovirus :found in the gastrointestinal tract
  -Coxsackievirus :Similar to Polio virus but transmit oral-fecal route
  -Poliovirus: top cause of Poliomyelitis

Polioencephalomalacia (PEM) literally means softening of the cerebrocortical grey matter in and around a laminar (layered) pattern. also cerebrocortical necrosis, laminar cortical necrosis, or cortical necrosis. This is a symptom of something else. Something is attacking the bovine, goat or sheep's nervous system. You say concentrated feed rations. IF you truly believe this then why not have your animals necropsy after you euthanized them and see what is going on with those animals.

I feel like there is some sort of grasping at straws to develop a link that we as humans will develop toxic poisoning. I still do not see the relationship in the two disorders. Yes somethings can cross species, bird flu and swing flu causative agent in developing H1N1 flu virus that hit humans hard. But toxic or concentrated feed rations really have nothing to do with polio like symptoms that are being researched in California. I am not the brightest bulb in the pack but I do not this thread sounds like ramblings of a very unhappy individual. If you have a theory then why not prove it. Feed what you are considering the concentrated ration and then necropsy the animals. There you go. Ta Da! You have your answer. But it isn't going to do much for kids in California since they have yet to find a causative link between them.