The fascination with "Hairy"

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Rocky Hill Simmental

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Around here they like cattle to have normal length hair. They don't like them too slick or too hairy. Judges around here always told us that the heifers with the beautiful long hair get too uncomfortable in the summer and usually have more fertility problems than heifers with a resonable length coat.
 

simtal

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Why try to have both ways (show cattle that are real world cattle) when you're gonna get beat by people who don't play by the same rules?  Seems pointless to me.  If I'm gonna show a steer (in a show strictly based on phenotype) , i could care less about how much pampering went in to him or that he's a double carrier, or that he had to live in AC his whole life, I want him to be good.  If you want to win, you gotta play the game.  Ever look at drag cars?  They put so much $$$ and effort into something that will need to be completely rebuilt after going 5-6 seconds.  Same deal with the show cattle game.  It's a game, entertainment, or whatever you want to call it. 
 

DLD

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Why "The fascination with "Hairy""? Quite simply because it does have value in the context of the showring. Quite a bit of value, as a matter of fact. The cattle that are promoted as being hairy are show cattle, or meant for raising show cattle. Many of them are what alot of breeders, even some clubbie breeders, would consider to be terminal sires anyway. Which simply means they don't expect them to pass on things like fertility and "acceptable" birth weights. If you're not trying to raise show cattle, then why would you consider using them - so why would you even care? If you are, then you're either single mindedly trying to raise $10,000 show steers, in which case the more hair the better, or you're trying to balance that hair, like any other trait (bone, muscle, frame size, etc...), into the package you desire. If that's you, then you're probably trying to breed a little more hair onto your slicker haired cows anyway. If not, there are plenty of clubbie type sires that are promoted as being "slick shear type sires" - in most cases, those are slicker haired themselves, too.

I think no matter who you are, or where you're at in the cattle business, there are going to be traits that someone else is chasing that simply don't interest you at all. That still doesn't mean they don't have their place, and they can't be important and valuable to someone else. I have some good friends that raise completely different types of cattle than I do - one who's goal is selling  e.p.d. based bulls, and one who is chasing the gene star deal. This spring, each of the three of us' high selling calves brought within $300 of one another, and I'm happy for them, and I believe they're happy for me - yet not one of us would have any interest whatsoever in owning either of the other's "best calves"... It's just another one of those little things that makes the world go 'round.
 

GONEWEST

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Here's how that relates to me.

When we raised registered Simmental cattle and sold bulls to commercial cattlemen, they wante4d slick haired, (because it's hot here and in FL), medium boned bulls. So we bred them that way. It got less and less rural here and now you have a hard time selling a bull of any breed for $1500 at 17 mos -2 years. A bull here has torn up $1500 worth by the time he is that old.

When I learned that I could sell the male calves as steers at 6-7 months and average more than I could selling two year old bulls, I began to breed what those customer wanted. And what they want is HAIR AND BONE. If they wanted to pay a premium for green and purple ones, that's what I'd do. It's no different from grass fed beef or organic beef. It's a value added market, it's not as affected by market swings as commercial and registered cattle prices. It makes no difference that hair and bone may not be practical, it's what makes people come to my house and write me checks for more than they would if they were slick and moderate boned.

Arguing about the practicality of show cattle vs. "the real world" is like comparing apples to oranges.
 

Chap

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had a trader at the farm a while back and another guy asked him if "why do you need all this hair?"  Traders response was simple and accurate.  " People who pay lots of money for these calves, like to brush on that long stuff.  They don't want to brush on a Duroc!" 
 
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