That's a tough one. Not that many clubby bulls to choose from. Some older clubby bulls but, they don't have much hair. i.e. Foreplay, Viper, Witchdoctor, Full Flush, Godfather, most will increase frame on moderate frame cows.
1. Hannibal-frame stay about the same
2. Who Made Who-frame downsize
3. Smooth Sailing-not sure on frame
Is that why Two of the three bulls you reccommended are out of him? You might want to check the blood lines on virtually ALL of the midwest state fair champs and Major champs before you call him over rated.You might not like him but over rated he is not.
I'm not sayin he hasn't had SOME good ones, if every bull was used like him then you'd get good ones too, let's look at all the bad ones too, he's hit and miss most misses
I tend to agree with you.. a bull that gets used THAT much has to make a great one, or many every once in a while... And you are right, there are quite a few throwaways... But more times that not, great steers get a HW tag put in, instead of what they really are, and the absolute shit eaters, get the HW tag cut out- works both ways...
But you have to give it to the old HW- he has transformed WINNING CLUBBY STEERS- and the such