He will add a lot of frame and a lot of crazy. Most of our older cows have him in their pedigree, they are awesome mothers that milk really well, so it kind of trumps the crazy. Crowe Farms in West Alexandria, Ohio owned him when he died, Steve or Doug I am sure have pics they would share. SEK or Top Sires occasionally has his semen for sale and I think they post a picture of him in their offerings. Good bull if you have a short cow with lots of guts, he makes em leggy and kind of tubular.