Update: Blue Grey (Shorthorn x Galloway) bull calf

[librarian]

I put my white Shorthorn bull on a black Galloway and got this pretty sturdy bull calf today. You can't see it very well, but he has a lot of frosting color on him, white mixed in with the black.
I have had better results with the Shorthorn on Galloway than the other way around.
That's a first calf heifer, she has a lot of milk.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Cant tell much he appears framy for a new born,but doesnt appear to have been a large BW or too wide-Id like to see him in a month or so O0

 

[librarian]

5 months old now. I think the Scotch in my bull is good for this cross.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I would have to disagree completely-I like the calf and the bull. Whered he come from Rinkerhoff in PA? O0

 

[librarian]

Thanks, Mark.
That bull came from Roy Lovaas. The sire is a 60's Native bull that goes to Rothney breeding.
I guess you are saying Scotch breeding is a negative, and in an extreme I'd agree, but as a percentage in a within breed outcross it seems to do a lot of good things. Especially bringing back spring of rib, softness, moderation and MARBLING.  Grassy type and show type are not that different.
I think a Leader derived white bull would make real good blue greys. Something like Roanoke Flashback? Are there any white Leader 21 sons or grandsons out there working?

If there's a black Galloway breeder out there interested in a blue grey program (grass fed beef)
I'd like to hear from them. This bull needs a job, but I promised Roy to use his genetics for low input beef production and not for the show ring.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Im saying I LIKE THE WHITE BULL-and he needs to be on some black cattle-including SIMMS or ANGUS O0

 

[librarian]

If the Native folks weren't so hung up on being purists, a bull like this could thicken that type cattle up a lot. He is polluted with a shot of Irish.
Look what he does on a square butt Angus cow.

 

[Okotoks]

If the Native folks weren't so hung up on being purists, a bull like this could thicken that type cattle up a lot. He is polluted with a shot of Irish.
Look what he does on a square butt Angus cow.

I really like the blue calf,he has a bit more sheath than I like, but he sure is performing and looks like he has a great hip. Has Amos got any purebred offspring? With his cross of old Scotch bloodlines he makes an interesting outcross!

 

[librarian]

I had some unregistered purebred daughters I had saved, but I sold them as commercial cows. They were basically Amos bred back into the same line of cows his dam came from. I only had two of those cows to breed him to and had about 4 daughters of that back cross.
I did save one back out of a cow that is closely related to Impossible Dream, dam of Coalpit Leader 6th.
I'm looking at little bull from YY has that's a CCL6th son out a cow that is 3/4 Dover and  1/4 Diamond Merry Anna 4M.
Putting him on my Amos daughter might work for reconstituting the kind of Traditional shorthorns that I like.

I do think the best thing to do with the old genetics is to introduce them into a line bred cow family then use a "crossbred" son back on that same cow family. But I don't have enough money to do that.
Amos is getting collected this week. If its good quality you can get the semen thru Roy Lovaas.