videos from Diamond

[jaimiediamond]

I have been working on getting videos and pictures to update our website, so far I have 3 out of 5 of the bulls used this past season. Diamond Applause 18A should be up in the next hour and  I will be videoing Northern Alphonso 15A tomorrow snow or no snow.  I am also working on getting all the females updated starting with our donors I should be done before the end of fall

Herbourne B Manitoba Gus 13Z is our senior herdsire  by Birdtail G Gus 1W who is now owned by Horseshoe Creek and Anwender Cattle Co
http://youtu.be/t0fr0coELM4?list=UUIrt1zxWeBgoNQ0BOONUqVQ
Eionmor Piper 23Z has been used as a heifer bull the past two seasons. He is by Eionmor Royal Piper 22T
http://youtu.be/YePYcuprtOo?list=UUIrt1zxWeBgoNQ0BOONUqVQ
Paintearth Boomer 58Y was used for the 2014 season he is a Saskvalley Ramrod 155R
http://youtu.be/sCVrrkLRWOU

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

Great....thanks for share!

 

[jaimiediamond]

Diamond Applause 18A sired by a Diamond Prophecy 21P son, really looking forward to his calves next year.  Applause is now owned by Sawley Ranch
http://youtu.be/8kXM7VHCh-k

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanks for the videos-that White Gus bull is IMPRESSIVE-and walks like an egyptian  O0 (clapping)

 

[JTM]

Very nice bulls Jaimie. I also really like the Gus bull! Wow, he is a tough dude! For what I'm doing I like them a little smaller at mature size but man does he look good at the 14 month stage and 26 month! Maybe I'm off on the size but I'm guessing 2400-2500 lbs according to the video? The picture looks more like 2300-2400 lbs. What do you think he is weighing?

 

[RyanChandler]

Very nice bulls Jaimie. I also really like the Gus bull! Wow, he is a tough dude! For what I'm doing I like them a little smaller at mature size but man does he look good at the 14 month stage and 26 month! Maybe I'm off on the size but I'm guessing 2400-2500 lbs according to the video? The picture looks more like 2300-2400 lbs. What do you think he is weighing?

Josh,  you commented in another post that we had similar goals but that "the difficult part was finding which genetics to use to accomplish this goal."  After watching the Gus video, light bulbs should be going off!!!  This bull is exceptional.  His sire is very impressive as well.  Notice his skeletal design, just the raw power, I love it!  notice how he carries himself with such prominence, the muscle, the smoothness.  I sent Jaimie a Pm the very first time I saw this bull asking her if she was selling him.  It was apparent from the very beginning that this bull was going to develop into a stud.  LOOK AT HIS HIP, nice and level and just massive with the fullness carrying down nearly to his hock. I'm not concerned with what he weighs. He weighs ENOUGH- The superiority of this specimen FAR trumps any notion of him being a frame score too tall.  If the bull options were just endless, Id say yea, Id prefer him just downsized just a tick, but the fact of the matter is that in our breed, superior quality of this standard is extremely rare!  I would much rather have offspring out of this bull that I 'wished were a tick smaller' than to have offspring that you feel are more ideal sized BUT lack the positive characteristics associated with this bull. 

 

[JTM]

Ryan I can't argue with that logic at all! He seems to be an exceptional bull to me from the videos! You are very smart to try to buy him in my opinion.

I'm not trying to start a debate since we've already been down this road multiple times, but I will explain my commercial side logic: If I can find a bull that is all those things and the right size, but is 3/4 or 7/8 Shorthorn instead of purebred then to me that makes more sense as a commercial cattleman. I understand the theory of lost hybrid vigor in that but I am willing to put that aside for what will be moderate framed females walking my pastures in the future. Crossbred females produce more, have more fertility, and on and on. So while I totally understand your point and wouldn't fault anyone with your goal for moderation to choose a larger bull,(not even sure what this guy weighs, he could be perfect), this is just where I choose to be different than some when it comes to my commercial and seedstock program.

 

[RyanChandler]

The competitions thinning- 


Some will forego advancement for a designations sake, others will take the path of least resistance and be blinded by short term reward.  Those who stay the course, continually referencing and implementing long-standing breeding principles, will fulfill their breeding goals. Those who attempt to take shortcuts by subscribing to logic not grounded by science will inevitably fall short.  Crossbred bulls have no place in long term breeding programs where multiple future generations are taken into consideration. They are a dead end and, ultimately, a disservice to the industry. 

I commend Diamond Shorthorns for sticking to their guns- in a time when they'd undoubtedly financially benefit in the short run from selling crossbred bulls- they subscribe to a 'pay it forward' altruistic approach of preserving heterosis and providing purebred bulls which serve the long term best interest of their customers.

 

[JTM]

The competitions thinning- 


Some will forego advancement for a designations sake, others will take the path of least resistance and be blinded by short term reward.  Those who stay the course, continually referencing and implementing long-standing breeding principles, will fulfill their breeding goals. Those who attempt to take shortcuts by subscribing to logic not grounded by science will inevitably fall short.  Crossbred bulls have no place in long term breeding programs where multiple future generations are taken into consideration. They are a dead end and, ultimately, a disservice to the industry. 

I commend Diamond Shorthorns for sticking to their guns- in a time when they'd undoubtedly financially benefit in the short run from selling crossbred bulls- they subscribe to a 'pay it forward' altruistic approach of preserving heterosis and providing purebred bulls which serve the long term best interest of their customers.

As if I'm against what purebred seedstock breeders are doing? I was merely stating what I put emphasis on and that is for my customers to decide if that fits their needs. I don't need or want a 2500 lb. mature bull. I want a bull that is 2200 lbs. at maturity or less. I want cattle that grow fast and stop. I apologize to Jaimie for hijacking her video post. I guess it will give it more visibility though ehh?

 

[Okotoks]

Very nice bulls Jaimie. I also really like the Gus bull! Wow, he is a tough dude! For what I'm doing I like them a little smaller at mature size but man does he look good at the 14 month stage and 26 month! Maybe I'm off on the size but I'm guessing 2400-2500 lbs according to the video? The picture looks more like 2300-2400 lbs. What do you think he is weighing?

He weighed 1930 at the end of February at 23 months of age. He has been out on pasture with the cows since the end of May so I'm guessing he is maybe 2200? I think a lot of his weight comes from his extra length. Thanks for your comments XBAR. The bull is extremely sound and has an incredibly good foot with lots of heel and can really cover the ground. He is a little larger frame than some of our recent bulls but the extra performance and phenotype are too good to pass up!

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I need a good thick bigger bull to use-One moderate one I bred just had a 72 pound hiefer out of Diamond Zulu-who wasnt at all small at birth-but a great looking bull. I hope the calf goes a notch or 2 up on her dams size.I bred for low Bw for awhile-but the cattle are going to be more moderate-there again I can breed them to almost anything-and need a one generation lift-then back to low bw breeding O0

 

[Duncraggan]

Some will forego advancement for a designations sake, others will take the path of least resistance and be blinded by short term reward.  Those who stay the course, continually referencing and implementing long-standing breeding principles, will fulfill their breeding goals. Those who attempt to take shortcuts by subscribing to logic not grounded by science will inevitably fall short.  Crossbred bulls have no place in long term breeding programs where multiple future generations are taken into consideration. They are a dead end and, ultimately, a disservice to the industry. 

I commend Diamond Shorthorns for sticking to their guns- in a time when they'd undoubtedly financially benefit in the short run from selling crossbred bulls- they subscribe to a 'pay it forward' altruistic approach of preserving heterosis and providing purebred bulls which serve the long term best interest of their customers.

(clapping)

 

[JTM]

"Crossbred bulls have no place in long term breeding programs where multiple future generations are taken into consideration. They are a dead end and, ultimately, a disservice to the industry."

All I can say is expect the unexpected, think outside the box you entered when you started thinking out of the first box. I use to think the way you do, don't get me wrong, I know where you are coming from. There are a lot of very good commercial cattle breeders across the country and the world that know different. I'd like you to meet Lee Leachman or Dave Nichols and tell them the quote above.
Good job once again manipulating words to make yourself sound smart while bashing another persons program. All the while there are many of us that know better and have experienced better.

 

[RyanChandler]

For fumbling on the basics, I'd say you're in way over your head.  There's no substitute for the F1 female,, and you cannot create this F1 female using a crossbred bull.  Until you can logically explain how to create a comparable (to the F1) using a crossbred bull,  well then it's implicit you're settling for an inferior product and, at that point, there's really no need for a rebuttal on your part. 


And for every profiteer you name drop who's out there pushing crossbred bulls,  there's at least 5 cattle breeders who despise the practice. 

 

[nate53]

Doesn't mating a F1 to an F1 = a F1?  As long as the same two breeds make up the F1.  If the goal is to make F1's to breed to a terminal line (3 way cross for lbs).  Then why not have a herd of F1 females and breed them to F1 bulls, strictly for the idea of creating more F1 females.  Can't a F1 female out perform a purebred at raising a calf, so why not use her to to make more like her?  Down side would be u would actually have to use an F1 bull (crossbred). 

They are all excellent bulls Jamie!

 

[RyanChandler]

I'm going to let you in on a secret: mating F1 x F1 = F2   


http://www.noble.org/ag/livestock/heterosis/


"Hybrid vigor is most fully expressed when you use bulls and cows of known ancestry - not just breeding any bull to a cow you pick up from Joe down the road or you bought at the sale barn because the price was right. Work conducted at Texas A&M University by Dr. Jim Sanders has shown a 10 to 20 percentage point increase in calf crop born to F1 cows (a cow which is a first-generation cross between two breeds) when compared to straight-bred cows. The advantage will fall dramatically when F2 (F1 x F1 bred cows) or greater cows are used."

 

[nate53]

Thanks for letting me in on that secret!  That's what happens when you get old, u forget stuff that u knew when you were 10. 

So it doesn't really say how much better the F2's are than the purebred's.  Just that it is dramatically less than 10 to 20 percent.  So considering the purebred herds (in general) are at the bottom in performance and the F1 cow is at the top.  But it takes the under achieving purebred herds to make the star.  How much difference is there really compared to just using the F1 x F1 to get the F2 and then breed terminal.  Considering that the F2 is still superior to the purebred in performance which the study said they are.  Also lets consider that the F2 came from something better than Joe down the road and or the sale barn (just to be fair). 

In general I agree with u Xbar, but I got some arguing to get out of my system! ;D

 

[jaimiediamond]

thanks for all the kind comments and the good debate

I have attached a couple of our donor females
Eionmor Ruby 48T video done when 48T was rising 8 this years calf is a good heifer by Eionmor Ideal 82T
http://youtu.be/EDiraaQxEHI?list=UUIrt1zxWeBgoNQ0BOONUqVQ
Diamond Rose Baroness 71R video done when 71R was rising 9 this years calf is a fantastic heifer by Diamond Zulu 3Z
http://youtu.be/aQ2u5AvLMCs?list=UUIrt1zxWeBgoNQ0BOONUqVQ

 

[Okotoks]

Here are some photos of our new junior herd sire, Northern Alphonso 15A. (video coming soon!) He is sired by Diamond Prophecy 21P and out of a maternal sister to Northern Legend 3N. We have just shipped a second order of Northern Legend 3N semen to Belmore Shorthorns in Australia. Alphonso's dam is sired by Diamond Captain Mark 27C whereas Northern Legend 3N was sired by a son of 27C. Also shown are photos of Alphonso's dam Northern Xena Butterfly 8X and his maternal sister Northern Zena Butterfly 14Z (now owned by Creekside Shorthorns)
We are very excited about this guy <beer>

 

[jaimiediamond]

Our junior herdsire at 17 months after his first breeding season. BW 88lbs http://youtu.be/0futzCJ-V78