What am I missing here????

[shortdawg]

In the show today they talked them up in some classes and not much in others. I still think the best made it to the top. The res today was a scratch yesterday for some reason.

 

[aj]

I heard the one bull is a complete nut case. Was drugged to the max. Thank god we hold these kinda cattle up and admire them.

 

[box6rranch]

Showed our bred heifer in the open show yesterday. There were two judges. The one judge that spoke after placing the animals said that both judges sat and studied the classes and EPD's etc before the show carefully. Our class was one that they particularly spent a lot of time on. They switched the top two from the Jr judge's choice from yesterday. Our heifer went from last place yesterday to third where she honestly belonged.I also heard there was a big meeting yesterday and that next year the judge will not have access to EPD's or I think the breeding of the cow. That should be very interesting. I think one of the big difference from the Jr judge from the open judges was although they used the EPD's they didn't get so caught up in the "choice names" of the sires. It was particularly rewarding for us as the sire of our heifer is one that we have raised and I've talked about a lot on here, RR Tommy Boy. Good day, fair judging (clapping)

 

[shortdawg]

Box6, Your cattle looked good. I was going to say hello but you all were not there when I came by.

 

[box6rranch]

Box6, Your cattle looked good. I was going to say hello but you all were not there when I came by.

Shoot, sorry I missed you. Did everyone end up meeting? The only one I ended up connecting with was Cade from MYT Farms. Great kid! Anyone going to be around for the Prospect show this coming weekend? We'll be back.
Thanks for the compliment! I think I'm getting too old to deal with white cows though.....lol black and all red are looking pretty good to me right now. Both our steer and heifer coming in for Prospect are both all white!!!

 

[oakbar]

IMHO If EPDs are going to be available to the judge, he should have a sheet that shows the animal number and the the EPDs only--no sire, no owner names.    While I applaud the effort to use EPDs in a breeding show, I think the experience we gained on Sunday shows us how far we have to go in achieving that goal, both with the EPD program accuracy and how it should be used in the showring.  Overall, I thought Mr. Rozeboom still did a very respectable job of finding the good ones.  JMHO

 

[justintime]

There was a thread on hear after L'ville about the judge(s) considering EPD's and that is what he was doing. I don't know what all else was on the sheet but I do know that in the meeting yesterday there was a recommendation from a committee that the judges no longer have access to the EPD's for future shows. I agree !! That show lasted forever ! FWIW I thought the best animals ended up winning anyway. I watched all the shows yesterday.

Chad is right... the judge of that show was using the sheets to check EPDs. He made comments in virtually every class about how the EPDs of the animals and sometimes he used the EPDs to determine the final placings in cases where it was a close decision between  two animals in a class. I personally think that this is not a problem providing that the name of the exhibitor and the animal is NOT provided to the judge. I think EPDs are only a tool and they should not be used as a sole reason for placing a class, and they should not be used if they can influence a judge in any way. I thought this particular judge did a pretty reasonable job of this show, other than he was a little slow in the process. The Championship line-up was a pretty steamy group. He picked the ones he liked, and I am sure most everyone picked the ones they liked. With a line-up of females like this, I do not think anyone was wrong.

There is a recommendation from the show committee of the ASA to the ASA board, that EPDs not be given to the judges, and I think if they decide to approve this, it will remove some potential problems.

 

[5VSC]

Welcome to the American Shorthorn Assoc. Shows. Politics,BS and the Shorthorn Mafia......NUFF SAID!!!!!!!

Just like the herefords buddy the same people win everytime and it dont matter about the calf just who's signs the checks back home!!

 

[CJC]

The res today was a scratch yesterday for some reason.

Probably not the right judge judging yesterday.

 

[box6rranch]

There was a thread on hear after L'ville about the judge(s) considering EPD's and that is what he was doing. I don't know what all else was on the sheet but I do know that in the meeting yesterday there was a recommendation from a committee that the judges no longer have access to the EPD's for future shows. I agree !! That show lasted forever ! FWIW I thought the best animals ended up winning anyway. I watched all the shows yesterday.

Chad is right... the judge of that show was using the sheets to check EPDs. He made comments in virtually every class about how the EPDs of the animals and sometimes he used the EPDs to determine the final placings in cases where it was a close decision between  two animals in a class. I personally think that this is not a problem providing that the name of the exhibitor and the animal is NOT provided to the judge. I think EPDs are only a tool and they should not be used as a sole reason for placing a class, and they should not be used if they can influence a judge in any way. I thought this particular judge did a pretty reasonable job of this show, other than he was a little slow in the process. The Championship line-up was a pretty steamy group. He picked the ones he liked, and I am sure most everyone picked the ones they liked. With a line-up of females like this, I do not think anyone was wrong.

There is a recommendation from the show committee of the ASA to the ASA board, that EPDs not be given to the judges, and I think if they decide to approve this, it will remove some potential problems.

The judge did rely on EPD's but he also made specific comments regarding the genetics of the cow. From what I could tell he had a program with the class list exactly like what was provided to the contestants and audience.

 

[Doc]

I was going to stay out of this one, but you know me. ;D I wasn't there & you were , so I can't really say you didn't hear something. Here's my 2 cents. Kyle is not a Shorty breeder, so I don't think he is really that up on SHorty genetics. Maybe, just maybe he trying to tie genetics & EPD's together & used the wrong word or phrase. Kyle was a judging coach here in TN & he's an o.k. guy.

 

[forbes family farms]

That is just not right but you can have the worst or cheapest calf out in the ring and it could become the grand champion or vice versa it just depends on the judge.

 

[jsull]

the pace show judges are provided the epd's but not the sire ,dam or owner of the animal.It does make for a painfully slow judging.I am with the overwhelming majority in the barn that wish they are not included in the ring. EPD;s are a nice tool but i would rather the jugde spend his time looking at the cattle then looking down at a piece of paper.The owner can make his breeding choices off genetic value  when he breeds for the offspring.

 

[shortdawg]

Doc, I really thought he did a good job b/c the best ones eneded up at the top. I mean you could've flip flopped a placing here or there but he did good overall I thought. The EPD deal just made the show last forever. I'm all for not having them in a show. There was quality from top to bottom in the whole show I thought. The judges job was hard enough without the EPD's involed.

 

[box6rranch]

the pace show judges are provided the epd's but not the sire ,dam or owner of the animal.It does make for a painfully slow judging.I am with the overwhelming majority in the barn that wish they are not included in the ring. EPD;s are a nice tool but i would rather the jugde spend his time looking at the cattle then looking down at a piece of paper.The owner can make his breeding choices off genetic value  when he breeds for the offspring.

I'd like to think that's what this judge was provided with, however I saw the yellow cover of the class list which was exactly the same as what we received that had all of the breeding info on it. Plus I swear he made mention that he placed a heifer above another one in one of our classes because he said he liked it's genetics better. Don't know if he meant to say something else but it's how it came out. I'm sure he's a great guy, hold no judgement but I would be interested to see how everything would have lined up without him using anything.