What is a black hereford?

[kdukart]

Can anyone tell me what is a black hereford is?

 

[harley]

This should tell you what you want to know..  www.blackhereford.com

 

[Show Dad]

(welcome) to the both of you!

NDSJ you might try the search here on the planet because I know we have talked about this before. Plus it's a great way of finding info in now what has become a huge database of knowledge.
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[fluffer]

My response would be a black hereford is not a hereford    Apparently they have an assoc. but I would still call that a crossbred 

Fluffer

 

[dori36]

My response would be a black hereford is not a hereford    Apparently they have an assoc. but I would still call that a crossbred 

Fluffer

I'm with you, Fluffer.  I'd call it a black baldy!

 

[cowz]

Black baldies rule!  BUT please don't give them a piece of paper making a wonderful F1 cross into a "black hereford"!

Let's give the old baldies the respect they deserve......they are the lowly commercial cows that pay the bills, get the job done.  They don't need a pedigree to be what they were intended.

What next??  Oh and they already tried the black Charolais at the NWSS about 10 years ago......didn't quite go over......hmmmm.

 

[Show Dad]

Not to make this about hide color, but what would you do with the breeds that were red or white that have gone with registering black hided animals originating from crossbreeding for color? Maines, Simmis and the like?

 

[SSIMMENTALS]

I don't know the answer to that, but it has done so much for the simmental breed as a whole in most aspects. Our cattle have gone from being the tall lanky giants that everyone knew as cow killers to more moderate cattle with a good solid composition and under control bw's that still have the added body and maternal values. I like the ASA's policy of registering halfblood cattle so you can breed up, but question the ability to register anything and everything. Shucks, Heatwave is registered with the simmy assoc.

 

[knabe]

Not to make this about hide color, but what would you do with the breeds that were red or white that have gone with registering black hided animals originating from crossbreeding for color? Maines, Simmis and the like?

go back to fullbloods ;D

 

[fluffer]

Not to make this about hide color, but what would you do with the breeds that were red or white that have gone with registering black hided animals originating from crossbreeding for color? Maines, Simmis and the like?

Well, I don't know this for sure, but I think Herefords have specific markings they must posess in order to be registered.  Don't they have to have 5 white points and then there are some restrictions on where white can and can not be?  I don't think the simmental, maines etc. ever had those breed requirements.  When you have a "black hereford" they don't meet the breed standard.  As for the Simmental and mains- I see exactly what your saying SD.  They wouldn't be where they are today if they weren't black 

Fluffer

 

[HVNR]

So where do they become purebred at 3/4 or 7/8 etc..., ? If an association allows other cattle to be registered wouldn't this allow the parentage of percentage cattle that are registered to be recorded correctly ? This doesn't make these non breed cattle members of the breed, just gives a means to report parents of cattle that are registered. Heat Wave is registered with the Simm Association, but he is listed as 5/8 CA 1/4 SS 1/8 AN Bull, not a simmental.

 

[JbarL]

thes are pics of my neighbors "cows"....they have had a small ( 20 to 30  head) commercial herd for as long as i can remember...these pics were taken  abput 3 days ago....60 % are black/ 20 % are black baldies and  15% are "black herford"  and about 5% are red??......when we talked about the markings and color ( they had 3 calves while i was there...1   "black herford" and 2 reds all from black or black baldie mommas bred to an angus X bull....)....he could get back to where he thought the red may have come from ( red angus bull they had about 6 yrs ago )....they really coudnt put a finger on the black herfords ( actually they never heard of such a "breed" and could really care less...) they breed for health, fertility and milk........they dont ai or sync there herd .....a "run and gun"  commercial bullherd....but it seems there efforts have produced some great stock.....the red hefier ( second pic)  is april/ may bred to pb angus....the rest of the herd...black herfys included will be bred by pb angus as well over the next 2/ 4 months...i am hoping that we can deal on one of them for a recip cow for next year...and curious how  this years calf out of pic # 1  cow will be marked...has anyone used these as recip cows?    pros/ cons ?  thanks jbarl

 

[Show Dad]

I really like that red one. April/May of 2008 or 2007?

 

[JbarL]

she was bred april/may 2008.......heres a pic of another red one bred same time to pb angus.. with longer hair ( same age...about 18 months)..out of another black momma....and same sire...........they had 2 more red ones ( out of 3 )  2 weeks ago...out of black cows.....( pic 3)......the hairy  red one is just as stout, but has bit of gelblvh look.....go figure....jbarl

 

[DL]

If we believe Harlan Ritchie, and why wouldn't we as he is one of the beef gurus, the existence of purebreds depend on your definition of purebred 

Shorthorn breed created with the best native Shorthorns in NW England n with a titch of Galloway
Hereford breed created by infusing the native cattle of Herefordshire in SW England with Flemish cattle
Angus (or is it the Angus) had a titch of Shorthorn in the beginning
Red Poll had a titch of Galloway and Devon breeding
As  near as can be determined only the Galloway and Highland of the British breeds have remained free of outside blood

Of the Continental breeds the US Charolais didn't come directly from France but via Mexico in the 1930s - these cattle as well as those in Canada from France were crossed with native cattle. Charolais in the US today primarily the result of upgrading with Angus, Hereford and Shorthorn

In the 60s and early 70s a wave of bulls from other Continental breeds were brought into Canada and used in the upgrading process on British cows - thsi includes Simmie, Limmie, Maines, Salars, Chianina, Piedmontese, Belgian Blue, Romagnola, Marchigiana, Tarentaise, & Normande. After 4 to 5 generations of upgrading these new breed associations registered these animals as purebreds - they still had a small amount of genetic material from the British base cows.

Other tidbits include the chaos of Europe after WWII leading to cattle running loose and a significant amount of inbreeding and the unethical (his word) infusion of Holstein and Brown Swiss into the Angus and Simmie into the Hereford to follow the fad changing short fat cattle to the more leaner taller type.

And finally in the 70s the ASA established an appendix program in which it opened the herd book to Milking Shorthorns, Irish Shorthorns, Australian Illawara Shorthorn and Maine-Anjou

(Info from an article by Harlan Ritchie and Roy Wallace "What is a breed?" Beef July 2006 - if you want a copy I can send a pdf) 

so basically we almost all have mostly mutt cows - some with papers - is this like a Labordoodle or a Peekapoo??

 

[Show Dad]

DL - The Prof has spoken, class is over! ;D Wow and in so few words too! 8) You hit it, spot on.

But can you explain a polled shorthorn?!

(Seriously, very informative and thanks)
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[Steer Boy 101]

I call it one of the best crossbred eve!

 

[garybob]

My response would be a black hereford is not a hereford    Apparently they have an assoc. but I would still call that a crossbred 

Fluffer

exactly. Black baldies, with a feather on the neck & no eye pigmentation.

GB

 

[simtal]

So where do they become purebred at 3/4 or 7/8 etc..., ? If an association allows other cattle to be registered wouldn't this allow the parentage of percentage cattle that are registered to be recorded correctly ? This doesn't make these non breed cattle members of the breed, just gives a means to report parents of cattle that are registered. Heat Wave is registered with the Simm Association, but he is listed as 5/8 CA 1/4 SS 1/8 AN Bull, not a simmental.

Alot of bulls are registered with the simmental assoc, many purebred angus sires are.  The reason is for epds.  Kind of like comparing epds across breeds, only they standardize the numbers using simmental epds.

 

[Show Heifer]

A black hereford is a crossbred, as is many cattle these days, even if they have "purebred" papers.

You all know my beef (hehehe) with the shorthorn assoc.....still haven't figured out how you can have registered papers for the exact same animal as a Chi, shorthorn, maine. Heck, if you are really good with percentages and breeding, you can have a simmi, chi maine and shorthorn all wrapped up in one beef hide!!! WHAT???? Heatwave and other clubbie bulls are a prime example.

Doesn't matter, like I have always said, my favorite color of cow is green.....anything that makes me money!!!!!!!!!!!