What kind of Cows do Heat Seeker Females Make?

[kane1598]

From wht you just said i think Dr. Who is the bull to use.

 

[RSC]

From wht you just said i think Dr. Who is the bull to use.

Dr. Who would be a good match as well.  I believe Dr. Business will breed similiar and have registered Maintainer females but I sure might like the Dr. Who possibility,  Steer calves would be marketable.

RSC

 

[showman ne]

I still like the Heatseeker idea. Also its hard to tell how big she is by the pic but have you considered hannibal? if she is small enough you could make some excellent heifers

 

[Chap]

I love these mating questions,  you really get a feel for what others are doing with their programs by the recommendations they give.  As for me, for making females, I would go Simmi or ChiMaine.  I like the spotlight option, especially if you are already comfortable with him.  I think the goal when flushing PB Angus genetics for clubby mommas is trying to get enough power and hair, without wrecking your maternal potential.  My shortlist would include.  Macho, Hannibal, Dr Who, Maximus, Exclusive, Full Flush, Chill Factor.  Notice i stayed clean on all my choices as it can cause problems 4 years down the road when the Name Brand bull is a carrier and you can't breed your best cows to him.  I threw in the last couple because they have proven to do well on deep angus based cows, while giving you a good look and lots of mating flexibility.
I personally haven't seen many Heatseeker cows that impress me as mommas, I have seen some that had nice looking calves, but the cows are pretty high maintenence.

 

[TJ]

TJ, I see your points and they are well argued, but I'm really guessing he's wanting to produce marketable show calves out of her.  I really don't know if lowline crossed with her is going to market well with the market he's aiming for.  I'd personally go a moderatly framed maine on her.  Simmi wouldn't scare me either.

Please don't take offense.

I'm not offended & I actually agree with you. 

I admit that 100% Angus steers wont win many big shows.  And that will be the case regardless of whether you are talking 100% Angus, Red Angus, Lowline or any combonation of those 3 Angus breeds.  Which is why I mentioned Irish Whiskey & Dr. Business (He raised him & it would be great if he could use that to his advantage & promote his own genetics!).  Simmi would be a real good option too, but I would probably go with Maine. 

With all that said, I can see big potential in selling bulls & females as "grassfed seedstock" in the near future out of that cow & a Lowline bull.  And you could probably do well showing them at Lowline shows, if a person chose to do that. Your fuel bill would be the same, but your feed costs would be much cheaper!   

Also, RSC mentioned that his option #3 was the possibility of using a Lowline bull.  And the whole point of my post was in reply to kysteers post about the "wheelbarrow of money" out of 2nd generation calves from the daughters of this mating & I just don't know that is going to be a given in 2-5 years.  Yes, you will get great cattle with the genetics that he mentioned!  They will be extremely good!  I would never argue with that!  However, kysteer was referring to daughter & their 2nd generation calves making a wheel barrow of money and quite honestly, the whole "show steer thing" might be almost on it's death bed in 5 years, especially if corn keeps increasing, fuel keeps rising & the economy gets really sluggish.  I hope not, but if things keep increasing in price, only the extremely wealthy will be able to afford to show steers.  And I also am not trying to offend anyone by saying that... I really am not!  I just think that $20+ bags of feed & $6+ fuel would likely slow down the show steer thing quite a bit & that might happen in only a year or 2.  If it did happen, the law of supply & demand will mean cheaper calves or less calves sold... that's all I am saying.  I hope not, but it very easily COULD happen. 

And if you check out the F1 Lowline X Angus cow pictured on page 1 of this thread, you will see a cow that would make a great commercial cow, a good grassfed cow (she's proven that already) or she could be a real good "Clubby mother".  Plus, she will cost less to maintain than a Maine or Simmi X.  Honestly, Maine & Simmi would give you the better show steers, but as far as the daughters go, I'd probably argue a Lowline might be the better way to go!  And if you bred those Lowline X Angus cows to a "Clubby", you would only have a 1/4 Lowline & 1/4 Angus, you'd really have something that would compete well.

Anyway, I just wanted to point all that out, especially when a Lowline bull had already been mentioned by RSC as an potential option. 
       

 

 

[knabe]

where do you think the cattle industry will be when those babies have their 2nd calves is where i would be breeding

 

[TJ]

where do you think the cattle industry will be when those babies have their 2nd calves is where i would be breeding

Exactly, knabe!  I don't know the answer, but I think that should be the question.

 

[RSC]

For anyone interested in trying this cow with the bull of their choice check the Classifieds as we have decided to sell some flushes.  If the time frame is an issue, please contact me by PM or email to see what the options are.

We also may be willing to share a flush for those that would like a smaller investment.

Thanks for all the replies to this thread, it's been an interesting debate.
TJ, I am intrigued by the 1/2 blood option, my only concern is the comfort level of promoting genetics/Breed that I do not have a grasp on yet.  I do think there will be a demand.  I don't think it's just feed and fuel prices: here in Nebraska the Ranch Land prices are getting crazy: the commercial Rancher will need to figure out a way to keep the production cost per head down.  More rotational programs will help but so will genetics like these.  JMO.  If  land or rent prices increase by 20-35% but you could run 20-35% cows per acre because she's efficient, you could still survive.
RSC

 

[knabe]

where do you think the cattle industry will be when those babies have their 2nd calves is where i would be breeding

Exactly, knabe!  I don't know the answer, but I think that should be the question.

impose the conditions now and select, and or make improvements to foodstuffs to take advantage of nitrogen and carbon from the air.  maybe the government will start taxing that too.  i guess they could do that if they took plant population samples from your range and taxed you on nitrogen and carbon depletion.

RSC, what F1's have you liked out of fullblood maines on straight angus have you liked and why?

 

[TJ]

For anyone interested in trying this cow with the bull of their choice check the Classifieds as we have decided to sell some flushes.  If the time frame is an issue, please contact me by PM or email to see what the options are.

We also may be willing to share a flush for those that would like a smaller investment.

Thanks for all the replies to this thread, it's been an interesting debate.
TJ, I am intrigued by the 1/2 blood option, my only concern is the comfort level of promoting genetics/Breed that I do not have a grasp on yet.  I do think there will be a demand.  I don't think it's just feed and fuel prices: here in Nebraska the Ranch Land prices are getting crazy: the commercial Rancher will need to figure out a way to keep the production cost per head down.  More rotational programs will help but so will genetics like these.  JMO.  If  land or rent prices increase by 20-35% but you could run 20-35% cows per acre because she's efficient, you could still survive.
RSC

I laughed hard when I first saw Lowlines on display at Denver, in 1997!  I became somewhat interested in them in about 1999-2000... I watched the 1st National Lowline Show in 2001... I finally bought my 1st Lowline in the spring of 2004 & I still wasn't 100% convinced until I saw the calves the following spring of 2005.  I understand & I especially understand about trying a new breed without knowing the people, the cattle, etc. 

I agree about the cost of production per head & that is a great point.  Where I live, crop ground is renting around $200 an acre (some higher, some slightly less) & lots of fairly steep "hills" are being turned into crop ground because of this.  Sub-divisions, etc. are also taking away even more pasture acres & driving up the prices of land.  Actually, that is the #1 reason why I started to really look hard at the Lowlines... we were getting very limited on pasture (from 300 cows down to less than 75).  That and I figured that they would make ideal "calving ease" bulls.  My game plan all along was & is to raise 4 something frame, Composite Lowline Cattle that are profitable with high rent pasture & smaller acreage situations.     

   

 

[RSC]

where do you think the cattle industry will be when those babies have their 2nd calves is where i would be breeding

Exactly, knabe!  I don't know the answer, but I think that should be the question.

impose the conditions now and select, and or make improvements to foodstuffs to take advantage of nitrogen and carbon from the air.  maybe the government will start taxing that too.  i guess they could do that if they took plant population samples from your range and taxed you on nitrogen and carbon depletion.

RSC, what F1's have you liked out of fullblood maines on straight angus have you liked and why?

Do be honest: I don't know much about Fullblood maine pedigrees.  It's a breed that is number one in my mind but haven't dealt with the Fullbloods. What percent  Would  be solid black out an Angus cow?  Not that I wouldn't welcome a red one. I'd sure share a flush with you if you have an amp of Cunia.

What Fullblood Maines are the most popular for females?

Thanks,

RSC

 

[knabe]

nothing, sorry, wrong place

 

[OH Breeder]

Simmi
Macho
Dream On
I am going to try Amazon this spring as well.

This has been mentioned already, but, Irish WHiskey works well on Angus.
Also, have you considered Chill Factor for replacement females.

I am going to also give Red Knight a whirl on a shortie this spring. Sire of Steermaker and cunia son.

 

[farwest]

i would be interested in a flush possibly, depending on costs sharing, also would definitely have to go shorthorn.