What Shorthorn Bloodlines do you use?

[jaimiediamond]

I think it would be interesting to compare what bloodlines we are all using.  

I personally have the following cow families.  I have an Canadian appendix free program.
Baroness all tracing to my first cow OA Diamond Julie's Baroness 29Z sired by Diamond Mr X 6X
My Baroness's are sired by Northern Legend 3N, Diamond Captain Mark 27C, Diamond Prophecy 21P,  Eionmor Ideal 61M, GAFA Captain Macbest 6G, Frimley Titan Rising 34T
Candy all tracing to J J Jenetics Candy 1C through two Diamond Captain Mark 27C daughters
My Candy's are sired by Diamond Captain Mark 27C, Diamond Kilobyte 1K,  Northern Legend 3N, Diamond Prophecy 21P
Maid all tracing to Diamond Exquisitely Maid 34E sired by Diamond Captain Mark 27C
My Maid's are sired by Diamond Regal Legend 4R, Diamond Temperature Rising 28T, Diamond Prophecy 21P, Eionmor Chief 16H, Northern Legend 3N
Susan all tracing to Diamond Krocus Susan 46K and Diamond Mystical Susan 30M
Susan's are sired by Diamond Regal Legend 4R, Diamond Temperature Rising 28T, Mandalong Super Flag

Most influential sires of my females
Diamond Captain Mark 27C

Diamond Prophecy 21P

Diamond Regal Legend 4R

Diamond Temperature Rising 28T

Northern Legend 3N

 

[vanridge]

Like I've posted before we have a very commercial herd, but this year we purchased Hatfield Governor 17X from Monty Thomson at Hatfield Shorthorn and Clydesdales and we are renting Hatfield Snowman 11W from him this year as well. Snowman is a Northern Legend 3N son and Governor is a grandson. We're excited about the way they look, tell you next year if we like his calves! 

 

[Doc]

I sure do like the Northern Legend bull.

 

[JTM]

Our most influential Shorthorn. 

 

[OLD WORLD SHORTIE]

The one the only CF Trump and his sons are the majority of the bulls we us around here.

 

[rocknmranch]

I sure do like the Northern Legend bull.

Ditto this!

I like seeing this thread, it gives insight into each others ideals, and even though same within the the breed, looks wise between each ranch is different. A bull just isn't a bull.

 

[aandtcattle]

A&T Open Range 601S, A&T Trailboss 042, A&T Rawhide 962, RS DV 007 409 08 "BOND", RS ST 832, RS Max, RS 034 and GFS Red Cloud 7026 and cleaned up the heifers with GS&J Captain Rob 3X (A&T Captain Obvious son out of a daughter of RS 034 back to the dam of 034).  My best cows are my 2 and 3 year old Open Range daughters, they are truly the future here.

 

[JTM]

In all seriousness though, we have been doing a number of different things. Trying to raise good show cattle but also have some reall good functional performance Shorthorns also. We have a few Jake's Proud Jazz daughtes in the herd now, and we have a couple of DF Waco heifers on the ground this year. Out with the cows are CF Star Bucks, CF Flex, and TG/RRA Complete with the crossbred cows. We have AI'd some heifers to RS 329, A&T Captain Obvious, and JSF Capiche.

 

[rarebirdz]

Hey look a positive shorthorn related thred

Which markets are it bloodlines aimed at? This is aimed at everyone carcass data ext

 

[aandtcattle]

Hey look a positive shorthorn related thred

Which markets are it bloodlines aimed at? This is aimed at everyone carcass data ext

What is so negative about other shorthorn related threads?  I personally think that it is healthy to disagree and argue.  Just because people do not agree does not make a conversation or thread "negative". Yes, on occassion things get a bit out of hand and people cross the line on here but it is definitely not isolated to shorthorn threads.
Rarebirdz, to answer your question, all of the genetics I am using are geared towards production of solid red, polled, moderate framed (5 - 5.5 frame), calving ease, easy fleshing, high maternal, high carcass cattle that are 100% forage compatible.  I market the majority of my calves as feeder cattle or retained ownership and sell on the grid.  However I have sold several packages of replacement females and also have a growing commercial bull market.  In 2011 I sold 28 bulls, 11 of which were purebred shorthorn with the remainder being angus or shorthorn x angus.  All of the heifers that I breed for replacement females are homeraised.  All of the bulls that I am using this year have either been ultrasounded for carcass traits or have progeny that have had kill data collected.  Carcass is not high on my selection criteria but I want as much carcass as i can get without sacrificing longevity, structure, fleshing ability and all the other production traits.  This "middle-of-the-road" approach to carcass has served my operation very well as I have first built a productive herd of mama cows that thrive in my environment and are designed to mesh with my resources and at the same time my feedlot cattle have continued to be far above average in every category.  Every steer and heifer that was not retained for breeding purposes went 93% choice and prime, 7% YG 4s, 43% upper 2/3 choice or better and gained 3.87/day.  I cant tell you for sure what they all averaged for a live weight the day they died but pay weight on the first load that went out around the 5th of April was 1379.  These were late Feb and early March calves.  That first load, which consisted  of steers and a few heifers finished at over 100 pounds heavier than what my average cow weighs. 

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I dont care what breed your talking about, those are some impressive figures! Ive read it twice. If that doesnt appeal to a commercial guy, then I dont know what will. Kudos to you A@T.  Great post!  (clapping) (pop) <beer>

 

[sjcattleco]

AMERICAN MUSCLE! and 2 half maternal brothers from SJCC Pandora...

ELBEE Farms

first outside genetics in 12 yrs of linebreeding  to Improver 3rd .. Pick of the Muridale herd 2 yrs ago! BTW he is under a frame 6  really like him!!!

 

[justintime]

This year we are using these sires naturally: 
1)HC Timeline 17T ET - we are really glad we have him home to use this summer. He is homozygous polled, sires calves with moderate BWs and that have excellent muscle
2) HC FL Touchdown 123T ET - moderate framed and super thick. Being used by AI this year as shady lane is using him naturally this year. I am very pleased with how he is maturing into a rugged masculine moderate framed bull. He is very easy fleshing as well. 
3) Wolf Willow Major Leroy 1M - now approaching 10 years of age. Super easy fleshing genetics along with moderate framed.
4) Shadybrook Perfection - masculine, well muscled and excellent muscle pattern. Looking forward to his first calves here next spring.
5) HC Bar Code 16X ET -a red polled son of Pheasant Creek Leader 4th that we are using on our heifers this year. He had a 75 lb BW and he is thick,and moderate.

We also are using Saskvalley Pioneer 126P and Hillside Leader by AI. We also have put in over 30 embryos mostly sired by Saskvalley Pioneer 126P, Pheasant Creek Leader 4th and DF Waco.

 

[jaimiediamond]

Hey look a positive shorthorn related thred

Which markets are it bloodlines aimed at? This is aimed at everyone carcass data ext

Our market is based on a short growing season and cattle being finished in a feed lot. At the same time with rising feed costs a lot of cow/calf men are looking to get efficient cows that can do swath graze and utilize sub standard feed.  For example a lot of people use straw ground with hay anything to keep the costs down.  We fed last winter straw, hailed out green feed, bales from hailed out crops and hay some good some bad. 

Our 2011  bulls were weaned in September and fed on green feed until December.  December-May they were fed on a non finishing silage ration. 

Scan weight average 1150
rump fat adjusted 0.24
rib fat adjusted 0.17
REA actual 13.3
REA adjusted 12.5
%IM Actual 4.15
%IM Adjusted 3.82

 

[kfacres]

Our most influential Shorthorn. 

hey what do you know.. this bull happens to be in the direct pedigree of the bull pictured directly underneath him!!!  (lol)



what are we using???  A black bull who's mama is a BLACK Angus cow on our Shorthorns this year, and expecting to generate more profit than ever...  Be different, that's my new motto...

I would like to try Ramrod though. 

 

[RyanChandler]

I would like to try Ramrod though.   

<beer>.

 

[Dale]

Once I asked a neighbor (big breeder but not Shorthorn) what bloodlines he liked and he said, "all of them."  We try a variety of Shorthorn genetics, and even if they do not work well on our genetics, they might work better elsewhere.  Breeding cattle is about as much art as science, so the unknown (or untried) genetics just might be a piece of the puzzle.

Our herd is no longer large, and yet we sampled 7 or 8 new AI bulls, resulting in several new bloodlines in 2010 and 2011.  There are no train wrecks, and we have learned some valuable things about what this or that line of genetics might accomplish.  In 2012 we will have calves by at least 2 more previously unused bulls, and it is fun to see what bloodlines nick and which ones don't.

 

[shortdawg]

JPJ, Primo, Salute, Vegas

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

RS DV 034 329 08 on RS DV 034 329 08 daughters. Captain Obvious next  year hopefully on the 329's that cut the mustard.

Will have a Kenney Angus bull running here in a couple days  on some commercial angus, sim/ angus, maine/ angus cows.  Dont know the Angus bulls pedigree but I know its pretty much Shoshone bred. Im excited.  (pop)

 

[feeder duck]

  We are probably way left of center from most.

  On the Shorthorns:  Double Stuff,Wind Star, Fat Head,Wild Side, Proud Joe..(Jazz x Double Vision).
  On the Red Angus and a few Shorthorns: Huckleberry, Stout, Hamley.

Trying to create a few good steer and some cool half blood steers and heifers for a future market.

  Jeff