Which One Would You Choose? Part II.

[MYT Farms]

OK all,
By now, you have figured out I am up to something. Welp, I'm looking for clubby bulls to make some hairy, stylish calves. I've got the Witch Doctor as my Maine bull to add the style and hair I need. Now I'd like your ideas on Shorthorn bulls. Same criteria here, 3-4 frame, easy doing cows, with lots of gut, sound, and pretty well balanced. They need style, hair, bone, and some frame. Have at 'em and feel free to explain why you chose one or another. I already know where the Box6Ranch's vote is gonna go. 

 

[OH Breeder]

What cows are you using the requested bulls on? That makes a difference. For us, some lines of shorthorns click better than others.

 

[MYT Farms]

Well, I described what they looked like above. They're all about 95% Angus or more. Soggy little things. Mostly PCC and OCC genetics.

 

[kfacres]

Being a Shorthorn Breeder, I have some comments  I don't know anything about Ricky Bobby, nor do I know much about Perfect Timing, but I don know that either his owner, or his biggest promoter visits this site quite often.  He can tell you more about him... I know we have used a "full" sorta brother called visisonary, with very little luck. 

I have used Radio Actice, had such terrible calves, I cut the rest of the straws and dumped them on ground.. Also, he is way to expenisive now...  I have also seen this bull in person, and live about 45 min from where he was produced.. Also know Guyer quite well.

Sin City isn't half as good as his dirty brother, I wouldn't use him either.. Also I think his owner visits this site quite often too!!

I have spoken with Red Visions owner,and from what I gather he basically will  creat clubby when bred that way, seedstock when bred that way.. Not sure how he would work on black cows.  I think he gets on here too..

That leaves me to Kaboom.. Don't know much about his, he has lots of fans on her, and even I like him... Thought about using him, but don't have enough cows to use to many bulls each year.  I voted for him, he was the best most logical choice. 

If you are breeding black cows, and wanting blue roan calves, then you need to use a white bull... This being steerplanet, I know for a fact that everyone on here is going to suggest Gus for that Reason.. He is a good bull, haven't seen him or his calves, but he is HOT right now...  And he will be mentioned to create blues. 

If you want easiy made, moderate cattle, I would stay away from Solution cattle, and most trump deals... I think JPJ would work for you, or a son of his.. He creates stuff like that.  If you are wanting clubbier Shorthorns, go with something like d-stuff, or d-vision, or a decendant that is clean..

If I think of more, I will add it later. 

 

[shortyisqueen]

Kaboom might be your best bet from the list, although I haven't used him. I would also think there are some good choices not on the list. I would recommend a Sonny son, since the original is too hard to come by (or possibly you could try one of his full brothers). I have always wanted to, but haven't gotten the chance to try out Sonny Duece and he might work real well on what you are describing. Sonny sons will definitely add lots of hair, style and bone and if you get the right one, he should upsize them a bit as well. We've had excellent success with Little Cedar Churchill but he was recommended for and works really well on larger cows (ALL the calves out of him have been good though).

If you're looking for a white Sonny son, we also have one available here: www.luckyspringsfarms.com/html/canasta.html He would add a bit of frame, throws tonnes of hair and color and his females are flat out awesome when they mature into cows. Possibly some of the best udders I have seen on a Shorthorn female (consisently) and super easy fleshing. They are making some nice club calf mommas.

Good luck in your search.

 

[Jill]

The only ones I have used on this list are Sin City-hated his calves and Radio Active- nice calves, but too straight.  Not a Shorthorn expert, but wouldn't hesitate to use Gus as white option and depending what you're doing with the calves, I still like Double Stuff on Angus although he is a double carrier.

 

[red]

Here is a Red Vision steer that we sold last year. He's out of my a daughter of ourIceman x Foreplay cow & a Habanero x Wild Rose bull.

 

[CAB]

  IMO, Kaboom is by far the best choice out of the bulls listed. I know that you are young & trying to grow your herd. I think that Kaboom will leave the best females out of the list. 2nd choice for me is Perfect Timing B/C he is a clean full brother to X-Ray Vision, and 3rd but not least is Red Vision. He maybe the sleeper in the bunch. He may produce both good females & bulls. I haven't heard enough about his calves. Another bull that I may consider would J3's new bull Ivy League for a Sonny son and he is not big framed & I think you like smaller framed cattle. I have seen Gus and I also think that he is a very good bull and a whole different bloodline and very good choice for 1st calf heifers in the SH breed. Like Jill I have used both Sin City, too big and hard doing, and Radio Active.Ffor me they were very plain and I dumped what semen I had left on the ground also. Just my 2 cents worth. Brent

 

[Doc]

I think that Kaboom or Perfect Timing would work best out of the ones you mentioned. I sure wouldn't use JPJ on your cows unless you wanted to hunt for those calves in the yard grass with the Easter eggs.

Red, I like your steer.

 

[Davis Shorthorns]

I think that Kaboom or Perfect Timing would work best out of the ones you mentioned. I sure wouldn't use JPJ on your cows unless you wanted to hunt for those calves in the yard grass with the Easter eggs.

Red, I like your steer.

I think that Kaboom would be the best of the ones that you mentioned.  I would try Gus if you are wanting to keep replacements.  I have seen his dam and grand dam, they are both GREAT cows.  I actually bought a daughter of his grand dam this year.  Gus will also add some frame, muscle, and style.  I would also stay away from JPJ because he is just to small to use on those kind of cattle.

 

[OH Breeder]

We used Sin City I wasn't unhappy with what I got just too big. Used him on old style larger made shorthorn. Got a frame 7 market steer.  He will add size hair and bone. He did not add a ton of mass.

I don't know Perfect timing but he is a double vision/doubel stuff which should add some bone but may not add whole lot of size.

We have Kaboom females. They are great milkers, pretty much any of the Sonny son's produce pretty functional females. She is moderate framed. Calves tend to have some shoulder and birthweight.

Red Vision if you are talking Sherwoods Red Vision, Double vision on the top and trump on the bottom. Stacks up to larger birthweights. Might increase frame we have never used him.

RR RIcky Bobby- Trump on the top of his breeding and bottom. Sonny son. Good female bull. I do not know anything about this bull, except the owner seems like she is pretty good egg. I would bet she gave you a vote too.

TM Gus we are going to give a whirl this spring but you can connect with the owner and get a glimpse of their calves on here. Looks to have some outcross genetics which would be good for future matings. ON that note, we are going to give Alta Cedar First Blood bull a shot this year also as he is outcross and like his genetics. Will let you know how these fellas turn out.

Really not much different than what you already have read.

 

[box6rranch]

Ha, well you know that I would love this topic!! Thanks for including Ricky Bobby, we appreciate it. And I see that he has more than just my one vote <party>
Since you are close you should come see our all white PB Shorthorn bull too. He's the best of Sin City and KaBa Legend. We have multiple calves here and he is definitely a heifer producer. If your are looking for blue roans he's done a good job. Calves are small and healthy.
Ricky Bobby is unproven. Just turning 2 in August. Bred his 1st heifer the other day. Blood lines are good he's TH and PHA free. Semen drawn, tested and certified. Great volume and viability. Definitely stout and muscular. He'll be here until the 29th and then his new owners are picking him up. You are welcome to come on out and see everything.
I can tell you this, not trying to brag or anything, Tommy Boy has gone up against Gus and beat him. Once in a while I think folks need to be open minded and step outside of the box. You never know what type of potential a bull has unless you try it. It's great to go with the proven ones too but the new blood might prove to be better. JMHO 

 

[kfacres]

I forgot to mention that Kaboom has a 3/4 brother that I think will work for you.  Name is DRM Mickey.  He is making moderate, good colored, easy fleshing cattle.. I have been talking to his owners out in Iowa, and they are really promoting him hard... He has made some real good cattle at the Iowa Beef Expo.. I am considering using him alittle harder than Kaboom.. Basically the same blooline, in a cheaper package. 

 

[stumpy]

I can tell you this, not trying to brag or anything, Tommy Boy has gone up against Gus and beat him. Once in a while I think folks need to be open minded and step outside of the box. You never know what type of potential a bull has unless you try it. It's great to go with the proven ones too but the new blood might prove to be better. JMHO 
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Hey Patty I never knew we showed against you guys. When was that? I need to pay closer attention

 

[box6rranch]

Hey Patty I never knew we showed against you guys. When was that? I need to pay closer attention

Got your attention there didn't I  Actually I just asked Kevin about it because I have the world's worst memory. He said that we competed with you at the Royal.  I'd like to go back and make sure just so I'm not putting my foot in my mouth. Gus is awesome and I'm certainly not taking anything away from him. We just haven't gotten Tommy out as much and done the advertising.
I need to take some good calf pictures of what he's had. I have to say they are very clubby and pretty spectacular. We just had a full brother to Tommy about a month ago. Looks like he's going to be something too. We probably will end up steering him though. We just don't have enough room for all of these guys. Maybe he'll be the 2010 Colorado State fair champ. Yea, from my mouth to god's ears!!!!

 

[MYT Farms]

WOW!! Lots of good, sound advice here! I've never gotten this much info on these bulls ever. So you all know, I might use one of the Rawson's bulls because they are very nice plus they are local. I know they've got one pretty nice white bull. From what's posted on here, I'm needing to use a white bull cause I need blue roanies. I really appreciated that tidbit of info. However (there's always one of those ain't there?), I would also like to get some pics and info on TM Gus. Is his owner on here? If so, could you PM me some info on semen pricing, calves, etc.? Thanks. One more newsflash. I got pretty excited about using a club bull this year, and then I realized there's more semen out there than I have cows.    )) Anyway, that boils down to a little accidental planning on my part. I will breed some of my X-bred cows to Maine and/or Shorthorn bulls in spring 2010. Thanks to all the amazing advice I've got on here, I will say what I've got in mind. I've got some nice little LimFlex™ calves on their way. Any heifers I get out this calf crop with that cross will go to most likely The Witch Doctor as folks have said he is proven calving ease. However, a couple might go to TM Gus or the Rawson's white bull. The yearling heifers this year are going to a CE Reg. Angus bull. Tell me what you all think. 

 

[CAB]

  Patti, could you please put up a pic of Tommy Boy if you have one and please his pedigree if you don't mind. Thanks.
  MYT, Katie's Canasta bull is white and a Sonny sired bull also. Brent

 

[MYT Farms]

  Patti, could you please put up a pic of Tommy Boy if you have one and please his pedigree if you don't mind. Thanks.
  MYT, Katie's Canasta bull is white and a Sonny sired bull also. Brent

Brent, as always, thanks. Do you have his name?

 

[CAB]

  MYT, the bull's name is Canasta and ShortyQueen, (Katie), is the contact.Brent

 

[MYT Farms]

  MYT, the bull's name is Canasta and ShortyQueen, (Katie), is the contact.Brent

Ah, OK, thanks for clearing that up! I'll get in touch with her. Thanks again.