A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners

[mark tenenbaum]

Charisma has sired lots of Shorthorn winners up to National levels, as well as Shorthorn Plus and Maintainers./// He has a son called Outsider that is really siring some good ones and CAN BE USED BY ANY AND ALL MERE MORTALS: I like him better than Charisma-wait till some of Comptons come out next year-This white daughter as Ive said many times is maybe the most NATURALLY-honest POWERFULL females of anything out there-she:ll make a cow just like her andescedents This was her in real bad conditions back at the Iowa beef expo and in a full blown heat-Saw a recent picture on facebook couldnt get it to load-look out those with heifers that "are yearlings" HA HA-and are fat and done-She has a huge gas tank and LLEGIT JUNK IN THE TRUNK O0

 

[coyote]

this is a Muridale Thermal Energy son that was grand Champion in Australia.

Sprys Extra Special N61
(Australia)

 

[aj]

Sounds like some good ideas.

 

[mbigelow]

Cf sonic, ar su lu tonic, jfs goldenrod, crooked post stockman, jr legend, lc diamond cutter, chs royalty,  dunbeacon venture, sc irish mark, ideal irish, i will try to think of some more.

 

[Doc]

Cf sonic, ar su lu tonic, jfs goldenrod, crooked post stockman, jr legend, lc diamond cutter, chs royalty,  dunbeacon venture, sc irish mark, ideal irish, i will try to think of some more.

If you are going by AJ's original specs, most of these wouldn't sire a class winner in a show today. They might have sired some in their day but they wouldn't sire the class winners today in my opinion. I owned Irish Marc and then sold him after 3 years because the calves were ok, just not great ones. At the time I owned JJ Denim, NPS Stride, part of NPS Durango, Stonelea Winchester and SC Irish Marc. Didn't need all those bulls and Irish Marc was the one that I decided to sell based on his calves.

 

[aj]

Duke of Dublin crossed my mind also. But I can't remember his defect status. He was probably horned......which may not be all that bad.

 

[Doc]

Duke of Dublin crossed my mind also. But I can't remember his defect status. He was probably horned......which may not be all that bad.

Duke was definitely horned, pretty sure clean on all 3 and I always like my Duke daughters.

 

[justintime]

Duke of Dublin crossed my mind also. But I can't remember his defect status. He was probably horned......which may not be all that bad.

Duke was definitely horned, pretty sure clean on all 3 and I always like my Duke daughters.

Yup. Duke was horned, but we seemed to get polled calves if the dam was polled. This was also the case when we used Irish Mist on polled cows. Duke had been dehorned when we got him in Ireland, but we did have some full Irish calves from him that had horns, but they were loose, that is, they flopped on their heads, and were not attached to the skull. They were like big scurs but smaller than horns usually are. Maybe they were closer to being scurs than actual horns, I am not sure.
And yes, Duke was also clean for all 3 defects.
I was just thinking a few days ago, that I should use him on a few cows again. Duke was incredibly quiet and his calves were the same way. When I drove into the pasture, Duke would walk to my truck and stick his big head into the open window and lay it in my lap. I was scratch his head and he would not move. This became a normal thing for us, every time he saw the truck coming into the pasture. Once he was done breeding cows, all I had to do was drive into the pasture with the trailer on, and open the end gate and he would walk in. He seemed to know when his work was done.

 

[GM]

Would he have too much frame for the current show ring?  I recall he sired the national champion TNT Fastrack who had to be a frame 9 or 10.

 

[Gargan]

What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Fastrack got some of that from Manitoba Sunrise a 3000 plus pound bull O0

 

[Duncraggan]

What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?

We used him fairly heavily and to good effect! That white flank was quite hereditary!
Can't recall a red calf, they all seemed to have white on them. Google 'Duncraggan Tarantino', a bull we bred, used, and collected for further use.
If I remember correctly he was a finalist in the region for 'Champion of the World' a few years ago!

 

[Gargan]

What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?

We used him fairly heavily and to good effect! That white flank was quite hereditary!
Can't recall a red calf, they all seemed to have white on them. Google 'Duncraggan Tarantino', a bull we bred, used, and collected for further use.
If I remember correctly he was a finalist in the region for 'Champion of the World' a few years ago!

Did you find scotty throw consistent low birthweights?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?//// Not ALL red but ALLLLL GOOD O0

 

[oakview]

Duke of Dulbin's EPDs are unavailable on the ASA website.  I had heard his daughters weren't the best milkers.  Is that true?  How about birth EPD?  I see Fastrak is almost + 8 for BEPD.  I had a couple Duke calves years ago that were pretty good.  KaDel Urice sold a few bull calves at the Iowa Beef Expo many years ago that were real good.  I have full Irish semen in the tanks from Ultimate Type, Highler 202, Improver 3rd, High Octane, Leggs, Quane, Leader 18th, Leader 13th, Duke, Prime Time, Highler 204, and Guiness.  I haven't used any other than Leader 18th for many years, though I always liked the Irish calves I had.  Maybe the time is right to use them again?  I just loved the Leader 18th and Ultimate Type cows I had. 

 

[RyanChandler]

Easy way around the ASA’s petty BS—If you find yourself unable to view a particular animals EpDs because the association has blocked them,  click on progeny and find one that isn’t blocked.  On the progeny’s EPD page,  there is a row that shows the sires EPDs. 

Unbelievably absurd to block accessibility to particular epds if those particular epds are still being used in the EPD runs.  They need to either block them AND  remove said data from the database OR not block any epds and leave the data as is. The fact that these numbers are still used in the current EPD runs completely undermines their whole excuse for having them blocked in the database. 

 

[redcows]

I think the blocking is for those that record on the TOC program and WHR breeders' epd's show up. Could be wrong. I think they should all show.

 

[Willow Springs]

The other way to find EPD's is to go to the Canadian Shorthorn Digital Beef site. Nothing blocked there and EPD's are the same, just have different within breed percentiles for each country.

 

[RyanChandler]

I think the blocking is for those that record on the TOC program and WHR breeders' epd's show up. Could be wrong. I think they should all show.

If they’re going to accept data from TOC breeders, then the EPD that is generated from said data needs to be visible to all. 

The cases I’m speaking to are in many times from breeders who have passed 20 years ago.  Like what is the significance of blocking EPD’s on animals who were at their last active date owned by people who expired long before WHR was even a thing. 

 

[Medium Rare]

If they’re going to accept data from TOC breeders, then the EPD that is generated from said data needs to be visible to all. 

The cases I’m speaking to are in many times from breeders who have passed 20 years ago.  Like what is the significance of blocking EPD’s on animals who were at their last active date owned by people who expired long before WHR was even a thing.

Collecting the data for use in the system and then attempting to hide it from us has never made sense to me. I feel like I've paid my dues and WHR fees to use the system and should be able to see any animal in the database. Some of the old bulls didn't/don't have the correct owners listed so they were even being hidden from the owners. Others don't even have an owner listed and we get to see them.

The actual epds can be entertaining as well. You can observe some of them having significant movements with no recent calves or relatives reporting data. As of today, some of them have epds that are well beyond outliers. I've considered using a few of them I have in the tank just to see what happens. I assume I'd be forced to pay $80-100 for the genetics test just to register the calf and then they'll magically "fix" those crazy outlier epds I used the bull for in the first place.