sjleppert18
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idalee said:Thanks for posting these great pictures of older Shorthorn genetics. I note with pleasure the correct rump conformation exhibited by these cattle which is so much in contrast to the rumps currently in favor in our show rings. I would suggest, however, that there may be some confusion regarding the "Native" designation. In 1998 the American Milking Shorthorn Society established an official registration for cattle whose entire registry traces to Coates Herdbook. These pedigrees, which have been traced by the American Milking Shorthorn Society, have a "N" designation as part of their registered name. For example, the Milking Shorthorn bull, J Bar J Lincoln 827 N P. The "N" certifies that he is "Native" and the "P" certifies that he is polled. I would add that those designations do not carry over to the pedigree name when those animals are double registered with the American Shorthorn Association so you won't know by looking at an ASA pedigree if those animals are truly "Native" or not. Only those cattle who have been traced, or whose parentage has been traced, may have this registration name. There are other older Shorthorn genetics which have an accepted identification of "native" which have not been traced by Milking Shorthorn nor will they trace. An example of this is Mandalong Super Flag. This doesn't change the obvious merit of this bull but people should be aware that just because the genetics are old, doesn't mean that they are "Native" as certified by Milking Shorthorn.
Attached is Figure S15 from Decker et al 2012. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/13/606oakview said:Interesting article. I would like to see the same "dot graph" applied to today's Angus, for example, compared to the 50's and early 60's genetics (or earlier). It would be interesting to see what type of influence the Holsteins, Maines, or whatever else was used to get them big, had. I assume a similar influence, though perhaps not as widespread or significant, would show up in Herefords. I also assume the "dots" would be more widespread in the continental breeds, particularly those that have turned black over the past several generations.