djbsimmy
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Can anyone recommend a calving ease white shorthorn bull to use on black heifers for making blue roans?
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there is none that I can think of right now which is newer in genetics and affordable.
I have one white bull in the tank to use on my red and roan heifers-- but his owners swear he's not heifer safe.
Depends on what the genetic makeup is on your heifers-- but maybe about any bull could be calving ease on them?
honestly, I've had the best luck getting blue roans using really light roan bulls on my blacks-- for some reason-- I can't get that loud blue color with white bulls...
I have one white bull in the tank to use on my red and roan heifers-- but his owners swear he's not heifer safe.
Depends on what the genetic makeup is on your heifers-- but maybe about any bull could be calving ease on them?
honestly, I've had the best luck getting blue roans using really light roan bulls on my blacks-- for some reason-- I can't get that loud blue color with white bulls...
Shorthorns4us
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I am sure there are a lot of good white bulls out there, but the only one that I can think of right now that I have seen advertised is TM GUS-- I am not sure about his numbers or his use on heifers. He is on Cattle Visions, he has some Canadian breeding behind him and usually those are pretty good bets.
I would also agree that you might want to try a light roan or red neck roan that has lots of white on those blacks for some blue color.
I have a really nice roan that I would give you some semen to try if you are interested-- give me a call. 641-344-6100
Emily
I would also agree that you might want to try a light roan or red neck roan that has lots of white on those blacks for some blue color.
I have a really nice roan that I would give you some semen to try if you are interested-- give me a call. 641-344-6100
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I'm not sure on his bw but I bet cloud 9 could make some blue roans
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Shorthorns4us said:
Gus is not a heifer safe bull.
Wildside is a bull that's a light roan= but almost always throws a light light roan, or a white... he's heifer safe.
Another heifer safe light roan, that I have had tons of blue roans from is Kool, although he is a double carrier.
To be honest.. there isn't very many shorthorns of any color out there that are fit to use on a first calf virgin heifer.
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His sire- Vegas-- is anything but usable on heifers.
mark tenenbaum
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The 2 recent roan proud jazz sons on SEK, Possible from HC Touchdown,(hes dark roan,his sister is almost white) Jakes Blue Moon,(cattle Visions) FHF Rodeos Hope(Waymar Semen-Wayne Temple Semen-Ill) Possible-JSF Capiche,Or Go to Shorthorn .org-click-Shorthorn Country-then click-AI Bulls 2012-Bergstrum on the first page has a couple Canadian deals-1 is light roan,Then:JSF The One-might be another. O0
Garrett
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An angus breeder I work for bred a few of his cows to capiche and the calves he had were blue roan but they were your dark blue roans. we have always had good luck getting blues with Kool as well.
A white shorthorn bull that we used a couple years ago was CLB Notorious. never bred him to black cows but the calves we had out of our shorthorn cows were roan and those cows were mostly red so he could possibly throw some blues.
A white shorthorn bull that we used a couple years ago was CLB Notorious. never bred him to black cows but the calves we had out of our shorthorn cows were roan and those cows were mostly red so he could possibly throw some blues.
justintime
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[quote author=feed grass
To be honest.. there isn't very many shorthorns of any color out there that are fit to use on a first calf virgin heifer.
I have to disagree with this comment. If you can't find a Shorthorn bull that will be safe to use on heifers, I don't think you are looking very hard.
There are several good AI choices, such as Muridale Buster 2nd, HC FL Touchdown 123T ET Hillside Leader, Double Duty, HC Leader's Legacy 9U ( owned by Galbreath's in ND), Proud Jazz, Capatin Obvious, just to name a few. There are several more... if you talk to breeders and do some homework. I saw lots and lots of Shorthorn bulls offered this spring in bull sales that I think are excellent bulls to be used on heifers. I had more calls this spring for Shorthorn bulls to use on heifers than anything else. Many of these guys said they were having far too many calving issues from the Angus bulls they had been using, that were supposed to be calving ease bulls. Last spring I sold 5 Shorthorn bulls ( all sons of Mists Return) to a rancher in Alberta to use on his black and BWF heifers. He said he was sick of hard calving Angus bulls. When I phoned him a few weeks ago, he said his Shorthorn calves were coming easy.
We only have Canadian qualified semen who is the easiest calving Shorthorn sire we have ever used, HC Mist's Return 12R ( a full Irish son of Highfield Irish Mist) . In 4 years of being used here, we assisted 1 heifer calve, and it was a malpresentation. In 4 years we had over 70 heifers calve to Mists Return with only 1 assist. Mists Return is also white and he was be a great choice to produce blue roans if we had semen qualified to use in the US. I will also add that I have had as many blue roan calves from light roan bulls on black cows as I have from white bulls. If you consider this, the list of possible sires gets much longer.
It appears we may have another calving ease sire here now, in HC Bar Code 16X ET. He is a son of Pheasant Creek Leader 4th ( born in 1968) and his dam is B Good Red Sue 1P ( a daughter of Equity's Charmer and CF Roan Sue 644 . Bar Code was 75 lbs at birth and we kept him to try on our heifers. We calved 28 heifers bred to him this spring and only assisted 1 at birth, and she had an upset down backwards breach. ( This was also the only assist we had on 87 calves this year) Bar Code has some BW in his background from his dam's side of the pedigree, but he is designed so well in his shape that I was not concerned. He has proven me right, and his calves have all been in the 70s- mid 80s regardless of the the genetics in the heifer. Bar Code is also very easy fleshing and thick made. He weighed 1970 at 25 months of age after breeding 28 heifers last summer.
I have posted pics of just a few of these sires I mentioned that I have on my computer. I believe there was several dozen calving ease Shorthorn bulls listed in the thread on Shorthorn bulls safe to use on heifers
To be honest.. there isn't very many shorthorns of any color out there that are fit to use on a first calf virgin heifer.
I have to disagree with this comment. If you can't find a Shorthorn bull that will be safe to use on heifers, I don't think you are looking very hard.
There are several good AI choices, such as Muridale Buster 2nd, HC FL Touchdown 123T ET Hillside Leader, Double Duty, HC Leader's Legacy 9U ( owned by Galbreath's in ND), Proud Jazz, Capatin Obvious, just to name a few. There are several more... if you talk to breeders and do some homework. I saw lots and lots of Shorthorn bulls offered this spring in bull sales that I think are excellent bulls to be used on heifers. I had more calls this spring for Shorthorn bulls to use on heifers than anything else. Many of these guys said they were having far too many calving issues from the Angus bulls they had been using, that were supposed to be calving ease bulls. Last spring I sold 5 Shorthorn bulls ( all sons of Mists Return) to a rancher in Alberta to use on his black and BWF heifers. He said he was sick of hard calving Angus bulls. When I phoned him a few weeks ago, he said his Shorthorn calves were coming easy.
We only have Canadian qualified semen who is the easiest calving Shorthorn sire we have ever used, HC Mist's Return 12R ( a full Irish son of Highfield Irish Mist) . In 4 years of being used here, we assisted 1 heifer calve, and it was a malpresentation. In 4 years we had over 70 heifers calve to Mists Return with only 1 assist. Mists Return is also white and he was be a great choice to produce blue roans if we had semen qualified to use in the US. I will also add that I have had as many blue roan calves from light roan bulls on black cows as I have from white bulls. If you consider this, the list of possible sires gets much longer.
It appears we may have another calving ease sire here now, in HC Bar Code 16X ET. He is a son of Pheasant Creek Leader 4th ( born in 1968) and his dam is B Good Red Sue 1P ( a daughter of Equity's Charmer and CF Roan Sue 644 . Bar Code was 75 lbs at birth and we kept him to try on our heifers. We calved 28 heifers bred to him this spring and only assisted 1 at birth, and she had an upset down backwards breach. ( This was also the only assist we had on 87 calves this year) Bar Code has some BW in his background from his dam's side of the pedigree, but he is designed so well in his shape that I was not concerned. He has proven me right, and his calves have all been in the 70s- mid 80s regardless of the the genetics in the heifer. Bar Code is also very easy fleshing and thick made. He weighed 1970 at 25 months of age after breeding 28 heifers last summer.
I have posted pics of just a few of these sires I mentioned that I have on my computer. I believe there was several dozen calving ease Shorthorn bulls listed in the thread on Shorthorn bulls safe to use on heifers
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justintime
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Here is another bull we think is going to be a calving ease sire. He is Shady Lane Rockstar 9X and he had a 82 lb BW from a mature cow. He was Grand Champion bull at 2011 Can Western Agribition and we have semen available in Canada, USA,, Brazil and Australia. We will have calves from him next spring so we will know much more about his calving ease then. Roan bulls like this oftentimes will sire as many blue roan calves as a white bull will.
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dsmith16
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I doubt he is heifer safe but the Bartender has the bw of 65. he could possibly make some blue roans, along with the Rock N Roll Train white bull from Abertees.
http://www.cattlevisions.com/Shorthorn/TheBartender.php
http://www.cattlevisions.com/Shorthorn/ATRockNRollTrain.php
http://www.cattlevisions.com/Shorthorn/TheBartender.php
http://www.cattlevisions.com/Shorthorn/ATRockNRollTrain.php
mark tenenbaum
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Good point I forgot Rock N Roll Train-I was in Nebraska 3 weeks ago at Tjyklls-and saw several-they had been TINY at birth;and werent as developed as some of the (VERY) high dollar club calves and Shorthorns.-and there was one blue out of a black female. Same story at Abertees-he may be one Id use on Angus and X bred-hiefers. There are alot of light roans in his background,which might help to
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dsmith16 said:
Interesting you bring these two bulls up... I had been in contact right when RnRT came out- with the owners about seeing him develop, and the desire to use him. After awhile, they've been promising me pasture pictures-- and have never followed through. I figured if they don't want to promote the bull-- then i don't want to pursue him... With this said, I know they were breeding him to heifers-- but nothing in the short go of his pedigree suggest calving ease to me...
The bartender-- also interesting you bring him up... matter of fact, I was just speaking of that bull this morning on another post... If you can find that post- and put two and two together-- you can see my thoughts on him...
Again, back to the original question- a white bull that I would consider might be Roanoke Flashback-- while his EPDs suggest calving ease-- his owner suggest otherwise for use on first calf heifers. With that aside, I'll be breeding him to some known low BW lines- red and roan virgins this fall. I think the bull himself- is a tremendous beast-- and would not mind owning him for use as a herd bull around here.
There is another white brother to Flashback- in which i do not remember his name-- but I think he was DMH something-- white- native eligible bull son of Leader 21.
We really like our Wild Side calves, but he is not the bull to use on heifers. Our birth weights from 2011 are posted under JJC Wild Side on ASA website--from under 60# to just over 100#. We pulled one very thick heifer calf from a mature Byland Mission cow. His calves can have lots of chrome or can be solid red from Shorthorn cows.
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Dale said:
just goes to show that some times it works- and others it doesn't... In southern MO-- he's the easiest calving heifer bull in a long time--- and will continue to be the pick of all AI bred heifers into the near future-- atleast until his semen runs out in that tank. The darkest colored one has had about 10 inches of red on it= most are solid white.
djbsimmy
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Thank you for all the replies! Lot of good information here. I love the search for AI sires.
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Not sure on TM Gus on heifers but at this point I would not use him for that. Also, I would say a definite no on Cloud 9 for heifers. One red neck roan bull that we have used with good success on heifers is ALM Chiller.
RyanChandler
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We purchased a son of Rock N Roll Train last year from Abertees and used him on all our heifers (8)as a yearling plus this yearling bull bred a lot of cows. Our heifers are black shorthorn pluses and purebreds. Most of their calves this spring had BWs in the low 80s and upper 70s and shaped was right. Our bull is a dark roan and unfortunately we didn't get a blue roan out of any of the black heifers but most of our heifers were 3/4 shorthorn to begin with. The bigger calves were out of cows/heifers that had a little BW themselves. We weren't sure at the beginning if we were going to be okay on the heifers but now that we are done calving we are using him again on heifers. We did help a lot of the heifers just because we were there but they could have had them on their own. The cows that have calved to him have had about the same BWs and no help at all. Most consistent group of shorthorn/shorthorn plus calves we have ever had. Our calves are starting to take off since we finally got them out on good pasture.
I attached a couple of fun pictures taken early. The roan is out of a shorthorn heifer and the black/white is out of a black cow that is mostly Angus.
I am not saying that Rock N Roll Train is a heifer safe bull but we had good luck with a son of his. Talk to Malaine about the bull, she will give you an honest opinion on what he will work on.
She has always been honest with us about their cattle. Great people!!
P.S I agree TM Gus is not a heifer bull
I attached a couple of fun pictures taken early. The roan is out of a shorthorn heifer and the black/white is out of a black cow that is mostly Angus.
I am not saying that Rock N Roll Train is a heifer safe bull but we had good luck with a son of his. Talk to Malaine about the bull, she will give you an honest opinion on what he will work on.
She has always been honest with us about their cattle. Great people!!
P.S I agree TM Gus is not a heifer bull
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RyanChandler
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If you want blues, you'll use a white bull.
Shorthorns4us
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feed grass-- Thanks for reminding me about Flashback!! How could I forget him!! Sorry Joe! My brain has been occupied with getting the last son graduated from High School last week!!
Thanks to everyone for the information on TM Gus as not a heifer bull-- I had no idea he wasn't a good choice for that. Good info.
One of my Red Angus friends was at our graduation party and we talked about cattle and he was at Hawkeye Breeders recently when Berg Shorthorns were there and he said they unloaded a white bull-- anyone know anything about a white bull Berg's would be promoting?
Thanks
EF
Thanks to everyone for the information on TM Gus as not a heifer bull-- I had no idea he wasn't a good choice for that. Good info.
One of my Red Angus friends was at our graduation party and we talked about cattle and he was at Hawkeye Breeders recently when Berg Shorthorns were there and he said they unloaded a white bull-- anyone know anything about a white bull Berg's would be promoting?
Thanks
EF
