Finding semen on old bulls

[justintime]

Jim Thieman was Harold's son, so I am assuming that Jamie is Harold's grand son. Jim Thieman married the late Don Hoyt's( from Wyoming) sister.

The Thieman farm was a great place to visit. The office in the barn was lined with awards, pictures and banners from the past. Concordia, MO is about 30 miles east of Kansas City. I 70 goes right through the Thieman's yard, so it is easy to see if you watch for it. I am not sure if they still have Shorthorns or not.
There are also underground missiles on the Thieman farm, and on one visit Harold decided to show one to me. We drove up to one of the missile sites and the gate into it was open. There were some US army vehicles inside, so they were obviously doing some work there. Harold drove right into the missile site, and before we could blink we had several guys in army attire standing around his truck with their rifles pointed at us. This kinda got my attention real quick!!! They didn't seem real impressed when Harold told them he was showing a " foreigner" the missile site.

You are right about Harold being a real salesman. I think he tried to sell every cow we saw to me, every time I was there.

 

[r.n.reed]

I never made it to Thieman's but was able  see Harold at work a couple of years at the Illinois state fair in the early 70's.It was a memorable experience.One thing that was interesting in that era was that on avg.the polled cattle were bigger and more '' modern''in their type.This was just before the Duals and Irish were introduced.I think one of the factors may have been that many of the leading polled breeders like the Thiemans and Hultines bred their stock up from the bigger cattle of the early 1900's like the Hero and Marshall lines instead of starting over with smaller Scots.
Part of this was probably out of necessity since most of the Scotch cattle were horned.

 

[aj]

I remember a Shuman out at Byers,Colorado years ago. He had some some good shorthorns. And there was a Heckendorf that was winning shows that lived in the same general area. And there was another guy there who had shorthorns and I think he moved to Nebraska and started raising Limis but I can't remember his name. This was 40 years ago. I know the Packards were also out in Colorado their somewhere. Seemed like the had a bull named Hey Jude or something like that.

 

[justintime]

Hey Jude... now there is a bull I haven't thought about for awhile. He was a horned bull that had a pedigree packed with old 60s bloodlines. He was bred by a guy named Coby Smith in Montana. A few years after Hey Jude, another bull made a scene in the Denver show. He was called Juda Ben Hur, and he was sired by Hey Jude and out of Hey Jude's mother, so he was pretty line bred. I think Juda Ben Hur topped the Denver sale that year and  I think he sold to Wertz Bros. in South Dakota .

While these bulls were both horned, I wonder if there is any semen hiding in the corner of someones semen tank on either of them. They were very thick, smaller framed bulls with lots of hair... kinda sounds like what some are trying to produce today.

 

[r.n.reed]

Rinckhoff Shorthorns has a Ben Hur son advertised for sale on their website.

 

[Doc]

Rinckhoff Shorthorns has a Ben Hur son advertised for sale on their website.

They try to use all horned genetics in their herd. He's not cheap on his prices.

 

[JohnWayne72]

I have a question for the group.  I have seen some pictures of old cattle (60's 70's) that are pretty interesting and in some circles these older genetics are making a comeback.  I was wondering if anyone knew how to go about finding semen on these old bulls?  Thanks

Kenmar President 26A is now available. Check out https://www.facebook.com/Sherbeck-Farms-104143464975511  We also have a double bred son of Deerpark Leader 4th.

 

[JohnWayne72]

I had a question on the old shorthron bull KENMAR President 26a  X3411494. Was his nickname maxi brute? He was born in 1969. I was thinking Don Stout owned him at one time and all the bull calves were named maxi-brutes. 26A was sired by Kinnaber Leader 9th. Are kenmar and kinnaber different herds?As to your question Endless Meadows I am also interested. I think there are some old breeders who have semen all over but don't know anyone wants it. It would probably in amps and not straws. I used to have semen on the ready go but as a kid I know I finally tossed it. He was homo polled. I think Gus Lippert owned him last I knew in the say the early 80's. If it only cost 20,000 to clone an animal wouldn't abs or someone clone say Coronet Leader 21st? Maybe you can't clone from semen. All their epd's suck for growth so the guys doing smoke and mirrors with unsustainable growth epd's wouldn't be interested in the old bulls. Great topic !

Our 26A semen is in straws.  https://www.facebook.com/Sherbeck-Farms-104143464975511