Genex Angus bulls

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Back in '08 Genex and a group of breeders purchased interest in  4 Angus and 1 Red Angus bull from Scotland. There was an article in the Fall 08 issue of Beef Horizons. Would anybody know how the first calves from these bulls turned out?

 

[sue]

I talk with a Angus breeder on a regular basis- they are pretty excited .

 

[stick]

Found a link to that issue of Beef Horizons:

http://documents.crinet.com/Genex-Cooperative-Inc/Beef/B0250-088-FallBeefHorizons.pdf

You'll probably have to cut and paste, I'm too technologically challenged to make it active. I've always wanted to post pictures but afraid they would take up a whole screen and take a week to load  (lol)

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

here is a link to a thread on 5barx. Jury seems to still be out but I would say most are pleased.

http://5barx.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=4187

 

[OH Breeder]

Here ya go.....4 bulls imported.

 

[bluffcountrycattle]

My guess would be that they didn't take off like some predicted.  Not sure what semen sales were like for Genex on those bulls, but I would be very surprised if they sold much.  Probably not enough growth to compete in an industry that sells cattle by the pound, and wanting cattle to perform in the feedlot.  They probably have their niche market in some grass fed programs, but that is a small minority of the cattle industry. 

 

[Freddy]

On some of those 2000 lb Angus cows they might modify them quite a lot.. I have some an calves don't look bad at birth an to weaning but start to fade pretty fast after that....  But one thing they are  pure Angus an will help in some situtations ....

 

[knabe]

i don't like them between their hooks and withers.  they look shallow ribbed and weak topped in a different way than breaking behind the withers.  to me, they look like they could use some organ volume.

 

[OH Breeder]

i don't like them between their hooks and withers.  they look shallow ribbed and weak topped in a different way than breaking behind the withers.  to me, they look like they could use some organ volume.

I don't see that Knabe. Can you explain this to me seriously. I don't understand what you are saying.  ??? You are a very knowledgeable person I would like to understand your critique.
They look compact and older styled to me. I think its hard to judge their top line from these pics. I don't see the shallowness you noticed.

 

[DakotaCow]

i don't like them between their hooks and withers.  they look shallow ribbed and weak topped in a different way than breaking behind the withers.  to me, they look like they could use some organ volume.

Been a while since I have heard someone talk about withers on a beef unit. Regardless, these bulls may not look like your usual clubby bulls you may be inclined to look at. We all know that mature bulls look a different in their working clothes and these bulls are truly different. Chad Ellingson shared personal pictures of these bulls from when he went to Scottland and looked at them. Shallow ribbed is deffinately not the way to describe these bulls, while they are certainly more moderate they bring a different set of values to the beef industry. I have a few customers that used them on their purebred Angus cattle and they weaned with the group just fine but their value will come when you bring a high growth cross on the daughters. They are making very efficient females and sons that flesh out easily. Phenotypically they are more round in terms of their muscle shape but have an unreal amount of width of body and were raised with soundness and maternal value in mind.

 

[husker1]

I can't speak on the black bulls, but we flushed to Red Native and didn't really like the calves at birth.  But they started growing......and now I'm very, very impressed.  Have a fall heifer (perhaps one of the first born in the states; she's over a year old now???) that is really, really nice.  Everything is right with her. 

The bull calf maybe didn't have as much growth as his maternal sibs, but he has a very soft, easy fleshing look.  I think he could be a calving ease deluxe bull. 

I would not hesitate to use Red Native again.  These bulls were said to be out of phenomenal cows.

 

[knabe]

i don't like them between their hooks and withers.  they look shallow ribbed and weak topped in a different way than breaking behind the withers.  to me, they look like they could use some organ volume.

I don't see that Knabe. Can you explain this to me seriously. I don't understand what you are saying.  ??? You are a very knowledgeable person I would like to understand your critique.
They look compact and older styled to me. I think its hard to judge their top line from these pics. I don't see the shallowness you noticed.

it's a minor critique for me.  here's another bull, who is short coupled and short necked and fatter, but to me has a better topline for an "angus".  i supplied some semen on this bull and some others for some fun.  hopefully it's still good.

 

[sue]

I did a herd visit over the holiday. I am not a Black Angus breeder but I loved  Jipsey Earl and Cortachy Boy yrlings in both heifer and bull pens!

Here is JE heifer-

 

[sue]

JE heifers from a different flush

 

[sue]

Same JE pair - profile

 

[sue]

same pair profile

 

[sue]

936 is a flushmate to first heifer 'ruth"

 

[sue]

This is the only Cortachy Boy pic I have - I did like his heifer mates too

 

[Aussie]

Sue. Did you see their dams and if so how much did they reduce frame score. Certainly a lots of depth to them what frame the bull 5?

 

[sue]

Aussie, you know I like moderate cattle, but more then that I love uniformity. Both of these bulls stamp em.
The ruth donor - and I saw the whole family ( 12 & 17 yr olds) was about a 14- 1500 lb cow.
The forever lady was pushing 1700- but in hog fat donor shape.

Jipsey Earl is linebred and he definately took more leg off - thick topped, level hip.

Cortachy Boy calf photoed out weighed everything in the pen of bulls ( 27 hd).