Goverment Reality !! N/C

[aj]

I can remember my mom crying and watching the jfk funeral on a black and white tv. I was probably 5 or so.

 

[aj]

Now Eisenhower was a man. Smoked a couple packs aday and enjoyed a touch of the grape regularly. He wasn't real philosophically driven in his politics. Probably best known as the suprreme commander of the allied troups in ww2. He had his hands full with Patton,McCarthy and bunch.

 

[garybob]

Now Eisenhower was a man. Smoked a couple packs aday and enjoyed a touch of the grape regularly. He wasn't real philosophically driven in his politics. Probably best known as the suprreme commander of the allied troups in ww2. He had his hands full with Patton,McCarthy and bunch.

Yeah, but them cigarettes would have done him in, if he were in office today. Keep in mind, Ike's term was before federal gv't got really top-heavy.

GB

 

[hamburgman]

Now Eisenhower was a man. Smoked a couple packs aday and enjoyed a touch of the grape regularly. He wasn't real philosophically driven in his politics. Probably best known as the suprreme commander of the allied troups in ww2. He had his hands full with Patton,McCarthy and bunch.

I think I would go with truman over eisenhower.  I like Eike tho, he was a damn good man.  Johnson just amazes me tho.  There are few presidents who brow beat congressmen/women as much and as well as he did. 

 

[hamburgman]

Hamburgman....are you talking when Johnson was a congresman,vice pres or president of the united states.I kinda forget.Kennedy beat Nixon(he was tanned rested and ready). Kennedy(jfk) was shot. Johnson was vice pres and so took over.Did Johnson get reelected? I remember the famous line" I will not seek and I will not accept the nomination of president for the Democrat party". Vietnam wore him out. I think Nixon was then elected his second run at it in all the turmoil. Then you had Ford,Carter,Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bush,Barrok wasn't it? It was a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964  there you go aj

 

[knabe]

I'm glad Pa taught me how to play Dominoes & Pitch ( a card game), though.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
the memories!
GB

we always liked rook and pinochle which are essentially pitch.  around us, the old timey's preferred pitch.

 

[JbarL]

how can you be a partisan president when theres no one on the other side at a level to even address presidental matters...who is the rights leader??....jbarl

hey jbarl, have you ever noticed everything thing you type is partisan?

also, if a guy is doing a good job sinking his own ship, it's a waste of resources to pile on. 

it could be partisian i guess to some.....but to have enough insite  to at least try and phathom the idea of what this country today would be without the entitlement programs of the past.....not knowing the results of that makes some views just as viable as others...if the shhip is sinking....its the citizens of this country that are sinking it?......sholud entitlement progams have "never been"?  whos to say.....maybe we would just  be a coast to coast hati.....or what do those who adamatly aposed it then and now think it would be like now??  no dept of social security....no dept of welfare....or "any" of the services or jobs they provide?....what was the rights answer to the porblems facing society back then??..just where would we be now??...no one can say...one can howver speculate...and realize we have what we have...if the ship is sinking...no resources should  go wasted....how many of us arealdy"now" have a parent/19-28 yr old kids/inlaw/ or grandchild maybe living with youi now or requiring monetary help......because they just cant make it " out there"??....we forget we're fighting  in 2 wars...we go about our business everyday...oblivious to the fact that we once had to ration gasoline/sugar/coffee...in time of a war....nope ...its off to work tomorrow....stop and fill up with gas....( and complain all day about how expensive it is)....work till five/ soccer at 6 ....survivor at 8....news at 11....and wait to go show cows on the weekend.....we are the genereation of want and get....we sacrafice nothing/ we complain about who is in there and what they are doing.....but give notheing....but taxes...and of coarse ...in return...we kick/ complain and threaten revolt.....what when the sinking of the ship...... is from the stomping of the feet??....jbarl

 

[knabe]

no resources should  go wasted....jbarl

any benefit to a union or government employee above that of the lowest of our society is wasted.

any benefit that someone has to decide how to dole out is wasted is time wasted that could be deployed elsewhere.

the only benefit that isn't wasted is hard work, though it is wasted as it is funneled through government.

those who don't work but can are a resource gone to waste.

 

[JbarL]

no resources should  go wasted....jbarl

i "end my complete posts" with my name....no need to edit my posts to set up your reply......jbarl

 

[aj]

Cool...hamburgman. So he essentially was a two term president in office for 5 or six years.

 

[knabe]

need to edit my posts to set up your reply[/color][/font]......jbarl

for clarity.

perhaps there should be an internet law and a penalty to fund union retirement?

 

[hamburgman]

Cool...hamburgman. So he essentially was a two term president in office for 5 or six years.

yeap, i believe when reagan died they said that LBJ was the president who lived the shortest out of office, he didn't last long.  they said he got on Air Force 1 and lit a cigarette, and said "it is my time now." Story behind that is he was told by his doctor if he started smoking again he wouldn't live very long.  So he stopped smoking while he was in office i believe.  Vietnam really took the wind out of this man, his daughter said she remembered hearing LBJ LBJ how many you boys have you killed today? constantly at night from war protestors

 

[knabe]

Vietnam really took the wind out of this man, his daughter said she remembered hearing LBJ LBJ how many you boys have you killed today? constantly at night from war protestors

it was walter kronkite and the smother's brother's who killed all the boys with their defeatist strategy.

walter kronkite should have interviewed daniel pearl right before he was killed.

 

[aj]

jbarl....its our money not the governments. We earned it. Why should we allow you to decide how much we can keep. Earn your own money.jmo

 

[kobo_ranch]

Talking about government... this is a long read but thought some of you might not know all this.  Since my husbands ancestors came from Austria before all this occurred and some were actually Texas Rangers... they fought hard for our freedoms and would be sad I think to see the way things seem to be heading. 

By: Kitty Werthmann
What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books. 
 
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history.  I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history.  We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote..  I've never read that in any American publications.  Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.


In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression.  Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed.  We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.
Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily.  Young people were going from house to house begging for food.  Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs.  My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need.  Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.


The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other.  Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed.  The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.


We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933.  We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living.  Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise.  We were led to believe that everyone was happy.  We wanted the same way of life in Austria .. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family.  Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back.  Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.


We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades.  The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.


After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order.  Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed.  The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.
 
Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women.  Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home.  An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family.  Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.


Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children: 
Our education was nationalized.  I attended a very good public school.  The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore.  Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.


Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance.  Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum.  They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time.  The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.  The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination.  The rest of the day we had sports.  As time went along, we loved it.  Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free.  We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.


My mother was very unhappy.  When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent.  I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful.  There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination.  I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it.  Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home.  I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing.  Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me.  They lived without religion.  By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler.  It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly.  As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.


Equal Rights Hits Home: 
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established.  All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps.  At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.


Soon after this, the draft was implemented.  It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps.  During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.  They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps.  After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines.  When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.  Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack.  I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service. 


Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers.  You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government.  The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology.  By this time, no one talked about equal rights.  We knew we had been had.
 
Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls: 
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care.  Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna .  After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone.  Doctors were salaried by the government.  The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full.  If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn.  There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine.  Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
 
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income.  Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household.  We had big programs for families.  All day care and education were free.  High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized.  Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.


We had another agency designed to monitor business.  My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.  Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners.  Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar.  He couldn't meet all the demands.  Soon, he went out of business.  If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.


We had consumer protection.  We were told how to shop and what to buy.  Free enterprise was essentially abolished.  We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers.  The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it. 


"Mercy Killing" Redefined: 
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated.  So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded.  When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work.  I knew one, named Vincent, very well.  He was a janitor of the school.  One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van.  I asked my superior where they were going.  She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write.  The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months.  They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness. 


As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death.  The villagers were not fooled.  We suspected what was happening.  Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months.  We called this euthanasia.


The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration..  People were getting injured by guns.  Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns.  Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms.  Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns.  The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily. 


No more freedom of speech.  Anyone who said something against the government was taken away.  We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.


Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria ..  Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath.  Instead, we had creeping gradualism.  Now, our only weapons were broom handles.  The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.


After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria.  Women were raped, preteen to elderly.  The press never wrote about this either.  When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process.  They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned.  We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses.  Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized.  Those who couldn't, paid the price.  There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians.


This is an eye witness account.  It's true...those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.
America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World.
Don't Let Freedom Slip Away!
"After America , There is No Place to Go"


Please forward this message to other voters who may not have it.
IN GOD WE TRUST
When the people fear their government there is tyranny.  When the government fears the people there is liberty.    Thomas Jefferson

 

[JbarL]

jbarl....its our money not the governments. We earned it. Why should we allow you to decide how much we can keep. Earn your own money.jmo

the "federal governement" gets its share of "taxes", that is a given ....so does the state tax  on property...and the state on gasoline, the state on alchol,state tax on automiblest.. the state tax on cigs and rub...and the state tax when you buy a new shirt......the taxes that take the biggest chunk of our money is from the states....looks like federal taxes will soon to actually be going down again??....surely the new right can pass a tax cut for the middle class cant they??.....its not the feds ( citizens/presidents/illegal immigrants/..ect ) thats taken your money...its your state....and of coarse the corporate taxes we pay up front with the cable companies/ cell phone compaines/ electric and gas companies/  who each have the dreaded " corporate surcharges" which ad up to another 16%....with every month of service....i'm afraid if yoiur looking for a president or senator or congressman to ease your "tax burden".......its not going to happen in dc....jbarl

 

[knabe]

.i'm afraid if yoiur looking for a president or senator or congressman to ease your "tax burden".......its not going to happen in dc....jbarl

please fine me again for uncontexting.

here's a comparison in taxes by a couple of states according to wikipedia

federal taxes per person
1 California $8,590.18
2      Texas              $9,428.85


state taxes by state

California $3,154.06
Texas $1,690.81

perhaps jbarl, you could come up with some actual facts and a reference instead of horse manure.

 

[JbarL]

california charges a .63/gal tax on fuel alone.....the highest in the nation....thats about a grand a year alone isnst it, just for fuel...?? ive always heard the property taxes in california were redicisoulsly low... ....maybe we should go back to when only property owners can vote....jbarl

 

[knabe]

james cameron is a canadian citizen.  does this qualify as foreign interference in elections?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAljum3boB0&feature=player_embedded

james cameron should lower his carbon footprint, and arnold too.

these guys are both massive hypocrites. 

 

[aj]

I just want my congressman and woman to quit spending.