Based on the information available, a lot of the blame on the coverup falls on the grad assistant. He is the one who saw it. If he had rescued that kid and called the police immediately, the whole situation would have been based on hard physical evidence. The second he walked away it became s "he said, he said" situation, allowing Paterno et al to rationalize doing nothing.
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knabe
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Jeff_Schroeder said:
the similarity is that in the end, people don't care about the victims no matter the age. rarely will people get involved to help victims out with time or money. i know i haven't. maybe it's time for me to change and contribute to some abuse charities.
here's probably the real reason for the coverup.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/joe-paterno-fired-due-to-jerry-sandusky-penn-state_n_1085816.html
he foundation provided education and life skills to almost 100,000 at-risk kids each year, and had the support of prominent names in Pennsylvania athletics. Numerous Nittany Lions players and coaches pitched in to help, and its honorary board of directors included not just Paterno, but golfing great Arnold Palmer and retired Pittsburgh Steelers star Franco Harris.
knabe
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at the risk of enhancing my troll status,
http://health.yahoo.net/experts/menshealth/why-joe-paterno-did-nothing
In 1961 Milgram, a Yale psychologist, put two subjects at a time on separate sides of a wall. The first volunteer, whom Milgram called the “teacher,” asked the other person to memorize some material and then tested him. If the second subject gave a wrong answer, the teacher was ordered by a researcher—the authority figure—to press a button to administer an electric shock to the other participant. With each wrong answer, the electric shock got 15 volts stronger, topping off at a potentially lethal 450 volts.
The teacher didn’t know the second person was an actor, and his escalating screams of pain were not real. At one point during the experiment, the actor complained about a heart condition. At another, he fell completely silent. Still, 65 percent of teachers administered the electric shocks till the end of the experiment. Milgram theorized that our ability to ignore our own conscience under the influence of authority explains how Hitler got so many ordinary citizens—almost all men—to kill for him.
The Milgram experiment has been repeated many times in the years since, as recently as last year, and the results have been remarkably consistent: 60 to 65 percent of teachers obey the white-coated researcher till the bitter end.
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it's not a well know fact that what people say and what they do when confronted with a situation are very different.
http://health.yahoo.net/experts/menshealth/why-joe-paterno-did-nothing
In 1961 Milgram, a Yale psychologist, put two subjects at a time on separate sides of a wall. The first volunteer, whom Milgram called the “teacher,” asked the other person to memorize some material and then tested him. If the second subject gave a wrong answer, the teacher was ordered by a researcher—the authority figure—to press a button to administer an electric shock to the other participant. With each wrong answer, the electric shock got 15 volts stronger, topping off at a potentially lethal 450 volts.
The teacher didn’t know the second person was an actor, and his escalating screams of pain were not real. At one point during the experiment, the actor complained about a heart condition. At another, he fell completely silent. Still, 65 percent of teachers administered the electric shocks till the end of the experiment. Milgram theorized that our ability to ignore our own conscience under the influence of authority explains how Hitler got so many ordinary citizens—almost all men—to kill for him.
The Milgram experiment has been repeated many times in the years since, as recently as last year, and the results have been remarkably consistent: 60 to 65 percent of teachers obey the white-coated researcher till the bitter end.
__________________________________________________________
it's not a well know fact that what people say and what they do when confronted with a situation are very different.
knabe said:
I am so glad I live in my world. Having seen this type of abuse first hand with someone I love dearly, I do not nor will EVER turn a blind eye. That is a promise I made to them long ago. To use a power of authority and hide behind big names and organizations to feed your addiction is not only morally wrong it is sick.
Were at risk children helped? Probably a lot of them but the cost to the few who payed with thier childhood was way too much.
So comparing the all the society flaws of the past does no good. We are flawed but when we can learn from the mistakes and move forward and take a stand agaist a wrong we have honored a victim well. I wish for all those victims hope for a better future and for those that are found negligent of doing the right thing, I hope justice is served well.
And for all those that stood up for our country today, Thank you
Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.
Mark Madden | 20 comments
The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.
Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.
Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.
It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.
Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?
Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.
In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?
This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.
Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again. Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.
Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.
But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer.
Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).
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Mark Madden | 20 comments
The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.
Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.
Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.
It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.
Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?
Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.
In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?
This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.
Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again. Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.
Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.
But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer.
Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).
© 2011 Timesonline.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Jason said::It could get a lot worse.
****BE forewarned this is a rumor, however, the person who posted it was the person who reported the the possible initial fallout back in April of this year.*****
Penn State Scandal: Rumor Claims Sandusky “Pimped Out” Boys to Rich Donors
Zac Wassink
By Zac Wassink, Yahoo! Contributor Network 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
Just when you thought the Penn State child sex-abuse scandal couldn't possibly get any worse, we may have just scratched the surface. Joe Paterno being fired could be just the start of arguably the biggest downfall in the history of college athletics.
Pittsburgh radio personality Mark Madden, who penned a column for the Beaver County Times back in April of this year named "Sandusky a State secret," a column which foreshadowed the recent scandal which has absolutely gutted those of us in the Penn State family, was a guest on the Dennis & Callahan Morning Show on WEEI sports talk radio out of Boston on Thursday morning. During his appearance, Madden, who has been mostly right regarding this issue from the very start, dropped what can only be called a bombshell, an announcement which could mean far more than the end of Joe Paterno's career.
Madden stated that two "prominent columnists" are currently investigating a rumor that Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile Foundation, a non-profit organization aimed to serve underprivileged youths, was "pimping out young boys to rich (Penn State) donors." Madden went on to say that Jerry Sandusky was told by those running the show at Penn State football that Sandusky had to retire after allegations made in 1998 that the defensive coordinator was guilty of "improper conduct with an underage male." Sandusky, thought by some to be Joe Paterno's successor at the time, abruptly and somewhat shockingly retired from coaching in 1999.
It actually gets worse. Madden went on to say "When Sandusky quit, everybody knew; not just at Penn State. It was a very poorly kept secret around college football, in general. That is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55, young for a coach." Madden also called the Second Mile Foundation "the perfect cover" for Sandusky's scheme.
I want to be absolutely clear about a few things. These reports, as of the writing of this piece, are coming only from Mark Madden, and they are currently only rumors and speculation. With that said, Mark Madden has been mostly correct about a grand jury investigation which was sealed until very recently. I'm not suggesting that I 100 percent believe Madden to be correct. I'm certainly not ignoring a word he's saying regarding the Sandusky case at this point.
Late Wednesday evening after Joe Paterno was fired by Penn State, an "in the know" individual told me that this story was going to get uglier, and that there were, at the very least, "dozens of more victims." My absolute worst fear regarding the issue is what Mark Madden spoke on Thursday morning. It's been widely reported that the US Department of Education is currently investigating Penn State. Are they going to find that Jerry Sandusky was running a multimillion-dollar criminal organization, one which resulted in dozens, possibly hundreds (or even more), of youths being sexually abused? Will they find that higher-ups at Penn State, including now former football coach Joe Paterno, covered-up Sandusky's heinous crimes? All I know this morning is that, after the worst week of my Penn State life, I don't know if anything would shock me.
knabe said:
Sorry Knabe. Lost all respect for you after the above post.
In my mind you are totally out-of-line to compare PETAFILES and the actions at Penn State with sex scandals of ADULT males and females.
BTW: Pretty much sick of you always trying to relate some current negative happening or issue with a former Democratic Politician. Are you really that conservative and narrow minded.
Further,there is PLENTY of EVIDENCE in my mind, as well as that of many columnists in print, on television and on radio. I do not need to relate the "EVIDENCE here. Look it up. It is everywhere you turn right now.
All of for all your followup posts after the above one,you are just trying to now to cover your ass for your opinions that you posted!
This will be my one and only post/reply. I will not carry it further.
jason
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I have a feeling all the coaches knew about this. The shortest terms coach on the staff is 7 years, coaches are a very tight knit group, it would be hard for me to believe that this wasn't common knowledge.
knabe
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when i was a kid, my sunday school teacher got a few kids, tried to get me. my dad protected me somehow from that as i didn't know what was going on and neither did my friends. later, a president of a company tried the same thing with the younger men at work. i was able to get out of that one too even though i was cornered and drugged. the cops were not involved either time. i would not have and still don't want to get involved. evidence is key. it is about abuse of power and to me, there is no difference. to me, the democrats have eroded moral values. look up nambla, they are probably both democratic and republican. you have no idea what the evidence is required to prosecute these people so they go away for good. i don't either. my last post as well. but not before adding that rape is not consensual with regard to clinton.
Telos
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We are not just looking at sexual child abuse but also at a whole bunch of adults that just didn't give a ****.
Letting them play a game on Saturday, after all this, just reiterates the culture we live in. Not much respect for the victims, IMO. Maybe the world will cease to exist if Penn doesn't play Nebraska. This whole chain of events even after the news broke seems sick to me. It's a jaded world.
Letting them play a game on Saturday, after all this, just reiterates the culture we live in. Not much respect for the victims, IMO. Maybe the world will cease to exist if Penn doesn't play Nebraska. This whole chain of events even after the news broke seems sick to me. It's a jaded world.
Telos said:
AMEN! Sexual abuse of children is not only abhorrent but it is a CRIME. All these adults, all the way up the university food chain, thought their precious football game was more important that the health and well being of children. They did nothing - NADA, ZERO, ZIP, they kept quiet. They failed to use their power to stop an evil man from doing evil things. They should all not only be ashamed of themselves, of their lack of moral character, at their skewed sense of values, at their lack of common decency, they should go to prison for being complicit in the crime.
What is wrong with these people under the guise of a football program that is a paragon of virtue they tacitly approved the sexual abuse of children.
Telos
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The Saturday game @ Penn State will gross over six million dollars. Over five million is net profit.
Allowing this game to take place while in the middle of a scandal involving abuse of young boys and possibly a murder seems shameful and criminal in itself. Just one game for just one weekend until some of this is sorted out.
Allowing this game to take place while in the middle of a scandal involving abuse of young boys and possibly a murder seems shameful and criminal in itself. Just one game for just one weekend until some of this is sorted out.
Telos
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